Survival Fiction and Debt Ceiling Myths

by David Morris on July 15, 2011

I picked up a novel awhile back at Barnes & Noble. I need to preface telling you what the title by saying that I got it for purely entertainment purposes. I didn’t expect to learn anything from it, and my expectations have pleasantly been met. That’s not necessarily a bad thing. I simply wanted a book with a gripping tale that would make me want to keep turning the pages and not be so serious that I would stay awake thinking about it at night.

The book is called “Homefront” and one of the authors is John Milius, who wrote and directed “Red Dawn” and wrote “Apocalypse Now.”

In the book, the US has been plagued by a crumbling economy and skyrocketing petroleum prices. North Koreans are the aggressors instead of the Russians, and they execute a 5 stage attack against the US.

Stage 1: Since gas costs over $10/gallon, many people use mass transit. The North Koreans use long term sleeper agents who had integrated into US society to execute multiple, simultaneous conventional explosive attacks on mass transit systems across the United States to tie up first responders.

Stage 2: In the book, the North Koreans have been selling electronics to the US Government for years that gave the North Korean military back-door “Trojan horse” access. Later in the day after stage 1 was executed, North Korea used this Trojan horse access to shut down the majority of the US military command and control structure.

Stage 3: In the book, the US had abandoned their space program and the Koreans “helped” our aging network of GPS satellites by launching a GPS satellite for us. During the day when stage 1 and stage 2 occurred, the North Koreans parked that satellite over the middle of Kansas. In addition to being a GPS satellite, it also contained a nuclear warhead. That night, they detonated the warhead, causing an EMP that wiped out most electronics from coast to coast.

Stage 4: In the book, North Korea is one of the US’s largest trading partners. As the US economy had slid over the preceding years, North Korea converted many unused cargo/container ships to trans-oceanic troop carriers. Several of these were headed towards the US when the attack began and started landing in Hawaii the same day. In addition to troops, one of the ships contained a nuclear warhead which they placed on an open flat bed truck which they parked conspicuously in downtown Honolulu.

Stage 5: The rest of the container ships, as well as naval vessels continued to the mainland. The North Korean government gave the US government 2 options: Surrender or we detonate the warhead in Hawaii. The US government surrendered.

It doesn’t take much of a stretch to see that Milius is being politically correct by calling the invader North Korea rather than calling them “China.” In 2009, Luo Ping, a director-general from the China Banking Regulatory Commission said, “We hate you guys,” referring to the US. They have intelligence agents spread throughout the US. In 2009, the US Navy bought 59,000 microchips that ended up being counterfeits from China that are widely believed to have been able to be shut down or accessed remotely by Chinese military. China has been launching GPS satellites for a few years and just launched a satellite this week to help move their manned spaceflight program forward while we’re ending our Space Shuttle program. They’ve got a few hundred nuclear weapons that we know about and cargo ships have been converted to carry people—one recent example being the USNS Lewis and Clark, which was a civilian cargo ship retro-fitted to hold for prisoners (pirates).

In short, even in this little post-apocalyptic escape novel, there is more than a little sliver of truth.

And here’s where things get interesting. Both Red Dawn and Homefront have been widely criticized as having a cult following of fanatics who paint their faces and run around the woods in camouflage yelling “Wolverine!” In fact, I’ve had conversations where, when I’ve talked about preparedness, people dismissed me by saying, “You’ve watched Red Dawn a few too many times, haven’t you?”

There’s a certain amount of truth to that, but it’s a serious mistake to categorically call people wack-jobs simply because they’re moderately aware of what’s going on in the world and who’s interested in having some supplies set aside “just in case.”

The fact is, on the list of threats to our way of life that would require us to go into “survival” mode, invasion by a foreign army is pretty far down the list.

Losing a job, terminal illness, death of a family member, sudden disability, or other troubles happen to people around us on a daily basis. This year, we’ve seen people go into survival mode because of flooding, wildfires, tornadoes, earthquakes, and banking shutdowns.

You can pick any one of these events and say that they’re VERY unlikely to happen to you. And you’re right. I’ve got car insurance, homeowners insurance, health insurance, and life insurance even though the chance of me having a loss in any of those areas is incredibly small. In the last 5 years of paying premiums, I haven’t had an auto claim, had one small homeowner’s claim, had one health claim, and I haven’t had a single life insurance claim :)

Even so, I believe it was wise and prudent to pay the premiums. The likelihood of having an event that wipes us out financially in any of these individual areas is incredibly small. At the same time, the potential exists in any of these areas to have a catastrophic loss that is beyond what I’m able to prepare for without insurance, so we go on making payments every month.

Preparedness is similar, but VERY different in one important respect. Preparedness and traditional insurance is similar because both help protect you from the after-effects of events that are outside of your control. But with traditional insurance, you are forced to buy completely separate policies for every risk you want to insure against. If you have homeowner’s insurance but no car insurance and a tornado destroys both, your insurance will replace your home, but you’re out of luck on the car.

With preparedness, it’s dramatically different…if you do it right. The practical and pragmatic steps of keeping extra food, water, medications, fuel, some cash and other consumables on hand act as a blanket insurance policy that will take care of the majority of your needs regardless of whether the disaster is a job loss, Social Security checks not getting sent out, a banking collapse, a breakdown of the electrical grid, pandemics, volcano eruptions, EMPs or almost any other disaster.

A balanced, practical approach helps with ALL these situations, in addition to helping with normal, everyday life. And it’s important to take an approach that is balanced and doesn’t focus too much on any single disaster.

Why?

There’s a few reasons, but here’s two biggies: If you focus solely on an event that doesn’t happen, (think Y2K) you’ll tend to make myopic decisions and actually be let down when the disaster doesn’t happen. While the act of preparing IS healthy, being disappointed when disaster passes you buy is NOT healthy.

Second, if you focus 100% of your energy on nuclear attack, a lot of the items you’ll buy won’t be useful on a daily basis or in the event of all of the non-nuclear disasters that are more likely to happen. As an example, a Geiger counter and a few thousand iodine pills won’t help much if you happen to be on Social Security and are concerned about getting your next check.

We’re at a very unique time in history. Our systems are so inter-related and dependent upon each other that we literally have hundreds of low probability threats that could bring the whole system down.

While the chances of one specific disaster affecting you is miniscule, when you add up the chances of any one of these low probability disasters affecting you at some point in your life, the odds start changing to where it’s MUCH more likely that you’ll experience either a personal disaster or a local/regional/national disaster.

If you’re currently on a preparedness path that prepares you for a broad range of disasters, I want to commend you. The more individuals an area has who can sustain themselves after a widespread disaster, the more resilient that area will be. The more people in that area can take care of themselves, the more they’ll be willing and able to help those who can’t help themselves. This is also called a stable micro-environment, and it’s the seed of recovery and stability, regardless of whether the disaster is local, regional, or national.

Operating from a stable environment allows people confidence and makes them more willing to venture out and spread stability to non-stable areas. It also gives people in non-stable neighboring areas something to strive for. And it all starts with individuals making personal decisions to prepare themselves and their families.

If you WANT to be on the path of taking practical steps to prepare for a wide variety of disasters, but haven’t known how to get it done, I want to suggest that you check out my 12 week online SurviveInPlace.com course. It’s designed to take you step-by-step through a proven process to create a plan to help you and your family survive disasters and breakdowns in civil order while taking into account the realities of your living situation and financial situation. To learn more, please go to SurviveInPlace.com.

For you seniors out there—by now you’ve probably heard Obama shamelessly threaten to not pay your Social Security checks if the debt ceiling isn’t raised. You may not have heard how ridiculous his comments were.

August tax receipts are scheduled to be $172 billion. Interest on the debt, Social Security, Medicare/Medicaid, active duty troop pay and VA programs add up to $134 billion, leaving $38 billion for everything else. So, there IS enough money to pay the interest on the debt, Social Security, and these other programs without raising the debt ceiling.

On the other hand, his crass comments have created a wonderful opportunity to discuss contingency plans with people you know who are dependent on Social Security, regardless of whether they’re family or friends. At a minimum, it should open the door to suggest buying some extra rice and beans.

What are your thoughts on this week’s newsletter? Have any favorite “preparedness fiction?” What do you think about the threat that China poses to the US, if any? How do you see the debt ceiling debate ending? Do you have anyone you can use Obama’s Social Security comments with to start a conversation about preparedness? Any other questions? Let me know by commenting below:

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+1 Vote -1 Vote +1Robert Woehrle
July 15, 2011 at 9:06 am

David,

Thanks for the comparison of the book to known reality. It makes a clear justification for ‘being prepared’.

Bob

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+1 Vote -1 Vote +1come-and-take-it
July 15, 2011 at 9:08 am

It’s very refreshing to see a rational holistic preparedness piece in the world full of doomers. Our forefathers didn’t have a 7-11 to run to everytime they ran out of milk and I think they were better for it. Your questions:
1) Very appropriate given the state of things.
2) Patriots by James Wesley Rawls
3) Remote, we owe them too much money. More likely, we will pick a fight with them because our economy is about to collapse and our CinC thinks this will enable dictatorial control of population, finances and resources. Martial law would go a long ways towards keeping Obummer in office past any election that might unseat him.
4) The Republicans will cave in hoping to unseat OB in 2012. No chance, see #3.
5) I use every opportunity to promote any degree of self-reliance possible. Our country is in a state that is UNSUSTAINABLE by definition. Sooner or later the takers will kill the golden goose and we’ll all be in for a very bumpy ride.

Great read, keep ‘em coming.

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-1 Vote -1 Vote +1tilda jean
July 15, 2011 at 9:14 am

CHIPS FROM CHINA/NORTH KOREA NOW A LIGHT CLCKS ,WE HAVE OUT SOURCED MOST OF OUR ELECTRONICS. YOU NAME IT .AND IT IS MADE OVERSEAS. WE AMERICANS ARE SO IN LOVE WITH OURSELVES IT IS DIFFICULT TO GRASP THERE ARE THOSE WHO HATE YOU—-. AND AMERICA. WHAT BETTER WAY TO DEFEATE YOU, GET CLASSIFIED MATERIALS FROM OUR GOV. JUST AS YOU HEARD HOW TOP SECRET INFORMATION WAS TAKEN ON PLANES,BATTLE PLANS AND YOU MR. & MRS AMERCA THROUGH STELTH. WE HAVE GOT OUR EYES FIXED ON IRAN. WELL WE BETTER START LOOKING MORE CLOSELY TO N. KOREA AND CHINA. STAY ALLERT OUT THERE

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-1 Vote -1 Vote +1Evelyn L Habersat
July 15, 2011 at 9:17 am

I am 79. My greatest worry is losing power. I am in a rural area and we often hae power outages. My refrigerator and water system are electrical, as well as my heating.
There are several modes of providing electric off grid. Small Solar panels and wind turbines are outside and could be picked up and carried off by one person. The Tesla generator is inside and more difficult to get at. Are any of these devices practical for a person of my age? More importantly, do any of them work well enough to make them worth the investment?

Evelyn L Habersat

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-1 Vote -1 Vote +1David Morris
July 15, 2011 at 11:53 am

Hey Evelyn,

GREAT questions…

I have not seen a Tesla generator that has enough output to be practical. They are great projects, but until you can >physically< go to someone’s house and see them safely running their appliances off of a Tesla generator, I wouldn’t consider it.

Your refrigerator will take several solar panels to run–less if it’s new and efficient, more if it’s older. If you switch the bulbs to LEDs, it’ll still draw 3-5 times more power than a single panel will provide. You’ll also lose power when you go from 12V DC to 110/115/120V AC. Here are some options, if you absolutely require refrigeration:

1. A properly sized wind turbine charging a bank of deep cycle batteries. Ideally, your refrigerator would be 12V so that you don’t lose power converting from DC to AC.
2. A small 12V cooler/ice chest.
3. A high quality/high efficiency propane refrigerator like a Diamond and a good supply of propane.
3. A high quality generator (Yamaha) and a bank of deep cycle batteries.

David

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Vote -1 Vote +1Stephen R. Zimmett
July 16, 2011 at 3:38 pm

I believe you would also need a power inverter to run a solar panel??

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-1 Vote -1 Vote +1JC Felder
July 15, 2011 at 12:07 pm

Evelyn,
Look into the Berkey Water filter. You can use it when electricty is not available. IT is a gravity flow system. You can get your water from ponds, lakes etc and put thru the Berkey for purified water. When the grid goes down, you will have water. They are not expensive for what you get. Best to you.
JC

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Vote -1 Vote +1Martin
July 15, 2011 at 3:47 pm

Evelyn, get yourself a colloidal silver generator. Fairly inexpensive, but makes a continuous supply of excellent anti biotiics and also purifies water for just pennies. If you don’t have an RV, get a small one with a good fridge. Runs on LP, 12 volt or 110 volt.

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Vote -1 Vote +1David Morris
July 15, 2011 at 3:57 pm

Even though I like and use colloidal silver and there is an abundance of anecdotal evidence from people who have used colloidal silver generators, the risk of oversized pieces, oxidized silver, and (frankly) unknowns, has made me shy away from generating my own. We simply buy what we have decided to be high-quality pre-made colloidal silver. It is more expensive, and if I didn’t have that as an option, I might use a generator.

In short, this is a course of action that you’re going to want to research thoroughly. Make your decision based on what you think are facts. This is a topic that is very much like the Wild West. I’m very glad for the liberty we have and the current lack of regulation, but it is difficult to figure out which side’s facts are correct on how safe/dangerous silver generators are.

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Vote -1 Vote +1Kaytee
July 15, 2011 at 9:26 am

They’re not exactly “preparedness fiction”, but Eric Flint has some good sci-fi/alternate history novels (as does Harry Turtledove), which give scenarios of having to suddenly “make do” with low-tech or no-tech ways of living.
Eric Flint’s “1632″ (and related novels/short stories) and “Time Spike” concern modern US populations that get dropped onto alternate, “past history” timelines. He has an on-line fan base which helps with writing these histories, and a variety of scholars and serious amateurs provide expert advice on the “nuts and bolts” of how things work/how to adapt “low tech” to “high tech” needs and vice-versa.
And actually… there is a lot of old fiction that gives “how to’s” without really intending to do so…. I’m just re- (re-re-re-…)-reading the Oz books, written over a century ago. There are quite a bit of descriptive passages re: how formerly commonplace tasks are done (like farming, housework/cooking, etc.without mechanized equipment). Some of the Edgar Rice Burroughs’ book also describe “survival skills” needed/put to use when a modern man is dropped into a primitive environment. And of course, let’s not forget “Robinson Caruso” and “Swiss Family Robinson”….

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Vote -1 Vote +1Dan
July 15, 2011 at 9:48 am

I think they will not find away to raise the debt ceiling and we will finally be forced to live within our means.
the best prep books that I have read our Patriots by James rawles and one second after. I can’t remember who wrote it.
I believe that we will fight China within the next ten years.
Over the past few years I have selfpublished two books outlining how such a war would go.
Both are available on Amazon.
They are titled Operation Dragon Shield and Operation Eagle Shield.

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Vote -1 Vote +1Kathleen Morris
July 15, 2011 at 9:53 am

One Second Afteris a novel which incorporates many of the lessons which you teach. I recognized them after taking your course which I recommend to many. Thank you for your gift of sharing.

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+1 Vote -1 Vote +1David Morris
July 15, 2011 at 11:55 am

Thanks, Kathleen. After many people suggested I read “One Second After,” I did and it’s a great book.

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-1 Vote -1 Vote +1Mike
July 15, 2011 at 9:54 am

I recently lost my job, and though I’m sorry to be unemployed (and not collecting unemployment), I just love not being a taxpayer! It’s all bearable because my wife has a job that pays well and has good benefits, and because we’ve been preparing ourselves for any disaster for some time now. In some states (and nationally, if some have their way) we’d be considered “hoarders” because we have food on hand for several months…plus fuel, water, medicines, and weapons. Yes, we’re prepared to share–and to defend our stash. We can survive “in place” (a suburb near two military installations), though we have the travel trailer loaded and ready to go, if we had a safe place to go TO. I know we cannot, for long, go it alone, but we sure don’t intend to be victims of our own ignorance. Thanks for the continued good advice and the spirit of hope you inspire.

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Vote -1 Vote +1Jimbo
July 15, 2011 at 10:03 am

Preparing for a job loss, a banking collapse, a breakdown of the electrical grid, pandemics, volcano eruptions, EMPs, etc, not only protects you against all these disasters. If you’ve been buying precious metals all along you’ve made very good money on your stash. In my case I have made far more on precious metals than I have spent on supplies, so preparedness didn’t cost me a penny. To me the biggest benefit is that if you prepare for the worst your worry level goes way down. There are two kinds of people who aren’t worried about the state of the world: the prepared and the oblivious. Which group are you part of? If you read Urban Survival Guide I have a feeling you’re in the right group.

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+2 Vote -1 Vote +1Mary
July 15, 2011 at 10:24 am

China has always been a threat, poisions in their products by U.S. run companies, they own most Government Bonds now this other that I haven’t recieved word on about the meeting from any official not going.Plus all the water they are stealing to fill their Aqua Ducts w/the aid of Gov.Rogers, Nestley Co & the Moron in Washington, who said that the water wasn’t even worth a penny a gal.This can be checked out on YouTube w/J.Ventura. I did the homework & viewed sat. pic’s & they are using huge bladders full of our water floating to China. Thats already effecting N.W. states, I’m in Ohio & started monitoring the northern waters here.
What about Russia owning the urainium mines here & hiring their people to mine them. & my least fav. subject of all are the Muslims. Have been watching the increase since the early 90′s when hubby & I drove coast to coast. As for the muli S.S. cards .bo. has,, if it were one of Us it would be instant jail time for fraud & any thing else they could add to it. All the elected officials knew be4 he took office he wasn’t qualifyed, I’m courious to know how many of the officials Soros owns.
As for preparedness that stopped when Roger lost half his check to taxes, school insurance that was $57.00 a month went too $195.00 bi wkly & getting way less than it was at $57.00. & consumer pricing went through the roof. Now we barely make our payments each month & doing w/out a lot of things since Jan. he’ll make less this year than he did last year from an adjustment they made that we don’t understand & they won’t explain. almost $1500.00 they are taking back. How can an custodian be over paid? after taxes last year $24,342.61 take home.
As for the Debt, they will keep on spending not cutting anything they want to keep & keep cutting on the American People. The Government needs abolished & returned to State level where the People can control it. Thats the only way the Debt will come under control. It won’t happen for their fear is loss of power & monies they don’t deserve.

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-2 Vote -1 Vote +1Mary
July 15, 2011 at 10:34 am

Note: With all the Billions being spent if the Government gave each Legal Man & Woman a Million Dollars instead of squandering it there would be no Poor or Poverty.Oh they wouldn’t control then wouldn’t they.

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+2 Vote -1 Vote +1jacque jackson
July 15, 2011 at 10:45 am

It wasn’t that long ago that 9/11 was an unthinkable sci-fi moment, then it happened. We were all in shock and disbelief! Who expected a hurricane like Katrina who wiped out so much of New Orleans? Why is this scenario with China such a shock after tainted infant formula, lead tainted chhildrens toys, tainted pet food, ….should I go on? how about the hacking?HMMMMM…who is it that is crazy?

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+1 Vote -1 Vote +1MP
July 15, 2011 at 4:05 pm

Dont forget about China’s open testing of their ability to shoot down satellites, hmm, what better way to help cripple us, destroy part of our infrastructure by blowing away comm sats and spy sats, could be a serious problem to us for someone who may be a future enemy to have that technology, along with the experimental stealth fighters and aircraft carrier they’re working on or have already built. Last time this was an apparent threat we had the cold war and used the concept of MAD (mutually assured destruction) to ensure that no one would be stupid enough to try and attack the other. Will that work now with our neutered government and bass-ackwards ways of doing things around the world, worrying about these so-called terrorists in these armpit areas of the world while these other countries are prepping themselves in plain view (China, Russia, North Korea, Iran) for what amounts to an eventual boasting of power in front of a sick and wounded US. I guess we’ll see what happens.

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+2 Vote -1 Vote +1Dave in Calif
July 15, 2011 at 10:55 am

I was talking about this scenario with my brother several years ago, and he indicated I have a rather negative view of the world. I hope that is all it is and never comes to pass, but I will NOT bury my head in the sand I do a little wishful thinking…I think our government right now (left and right) is SO PC, that everyone is afraid saying the wrong thing, and I think that is how China’s agents are getting in, into positions of access to secrets, that and a little money to grease some presidents bank accounts (think Hillary and Bill). To the Chinese these people are hero’s not traitors or spies. Crimany this WHOLE thing disgusts me to no end!
Dave

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+1 Vote -1 Vote +1Soldier4hire
July 15, 2011 at 11:03 am

Thanks for the tip on the book. I’ll add to more titles to read, one is called the patirot, its about a survival group that perpared and then had to use it due to the economic collapse of the world. The next book called “one Second After” covers what happens after 3 E_MP nucs goes off 80 miles above the USA, and how a town in Westren NC comes together and survives. Both books talk a lot about preperations or the lack of, and the out comes for both. Plus they are both a good read for their story lines.

Enjoy and God Bless

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+1 Vote -1 Vote +1Bill in Colorado
July 15, 2011 at 11:30 am

Never in the past has our Nation been so vulnerable to so many dangers on so many levels. Internally, we have subversive elements who would open our borders to illegals while at the same time making the defense of our nationality against others an illegal act. We have an educational system that weakens the minds of our young people in the lower grades and indoctrinates them toward leftism and anti-USA beliefs in college. (And, our young people dwindling in relative numbers; our country growing old and less productive.) Our military is weakened by multiple wars, underfunding and bad policies (DADT, for one, now ATTW ["announce to the world"]). The damaged economy, the non-responsive US Congress, a leftist President who wants to push us in the direction we’re going (downhill), and a world that no longer respects our Nation (for many reasons, lately some good ones).

Not an exhaustive list, by any means, but just a few of the reasons why anyone who does not prpare for a wide spectrum of emergencies of various sizes is absolutely, stark-raving nuts.

That’s my story and I’m stickin’ to it.

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Vote -1 Vote +1Cajun Tiger
July 15, 2011 at 11:35 am

“Deep Winter”, “Shatter”, and ” Remnant” by Thomas Sherry are excellent! Starts with a natural disaster which leads to economic collapse and then of course all hell breaking loose. Great prepardness lessons throughout.

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Vote -1 Vote +1Barbara
July 15, 2011 at 1:23 pm

My husband works but he also has his Navy retirement and I am only SSI. It hasn’t been until lately that the fear of loosing the two incomes that I am concerned about. Loosing one we could get by but both would make it tight but I have prepared us to make it if we lose the extra money.
My biggest fear is my father who is in a nursing home. There is no way we could care for him at home, he has to have his blood checked weekly and they have to adjust his meds often. Not to met ion that he can’t walk and I could not lift him in and out of bed due to my back problems. There’s no way we can afford to pay 3000.00 a month for the home. Five years ago I paid in full for his funeral arragements along with mine and my husbands and it was a big relief knowing we don’t have to worry about it when the time comes.

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+1 Vote -1 Vote +1Thomas
July 15, 2011 at 2:01 pm

I’m a W/M, 68 yrs, was forced onto social security disability early 60′s when my Doctor told me I had to quit. It took three years of fighting with social security, this, although I had a report from the Social Security’s Doctor that confirmed that I would no longer be able to work. Yet, the Social Security office claimed there was no such report in my file. After hiring an attorney and waiting for another year for Social Security to schedule the next hearing.

My attorney and I were with the hearing officer for approximately five, no more than six minutes. My attorney pointed out the agency’s doctors report. I won, case closed.

In the mean time our family became homeless, camped in tents in a State Park and cleaned restrooms, cleaned up camp sites when campers left, scraped, pressure cleaned and painted buildings. cleaned up broken trees and limbs from storms blocking hiking paths, etc. Because we forced homeless by Social Security we lost our children, teens, when children services took them. Long story.

Point being, to Obama and the rest of the political ass’s, Social Security was paid by me my entire life, from when I was a police officer after eight years in the US Navy during Vietnam. I paid into my fund, my employers paid into my fund and when I had my own business I paid my self employment taxes.

In other words, to Obama or any other knuckle head that wants to take away my SS Check, be prepared, I will be coming to get it from you, if I have to take it out of your hide.

Currently Obama is impeachable, it has been well past the 90 days since he illegally ordered our military to war against Libya and the US is actively flying drones dropping missiles and bombs on four other Country’s. Obama is a fraud, liar, and lacks the sensibilities to perform his job. Impeach him now and get him out of the white house before he can further ruin this country.

Sincerely,
Thomas

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Vote -1 Vote +1PJtiger
August 1, 2011 at 5:48 pm

Oh! Thomas! I am Sooo sorry. I did not think anyone Got more screwed than I did, never mind my story.
You said that man was impeachable. I beg to differ as you impeach a Sitting President, not a dual-citizen criminal pretender who has Already brought the country to Communism. There are 4 or so definitions of “democratic” we Were a Democratic Republic which is def.1, the system the founding fathers set up. The Very 2nd definition is what we have Now…the citizens get to voice their opinion, but a “higher power” makes the final decision. Two cases in point..1} California voted RreSoundingly against a certain type of marriage voted it DOWN, WON, a single federal judge overturned it and the whole state is ignored. Second case in point? REAL easy. Obamacare.This time, the country physically turned out in tens of millions against it. We did not even Get an opinion vote. If we did, I missed it.
I am not sure they will even print this..I have said enough before to get me in trouble if they Will print it an the “sniffs” get, I’m a goner. SO BE IT.
Best of luck
PJdefianttiger!!!!!!!

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Vote -1 Vote +1steve waterfall
October 27, 2011 at 11:53 am

thomas, Im so sorry to here about your strugle with social security prosses I to waited 3yrs before getting an atty. then like you it took another year so I started looking for a way to make some money on the internet. now my wife is going through the same thing. like you said durring that time life was hard my family would not have anything to do with me. when I finally got I had to pay 7000.00 to my atty to recive a 700.00 a mo. we are the 99% there is power in that if we can get together thank you for sharing your story and god bless the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.and you..

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+1 Vote -1 Vote +1Bartley
July 15, 2011 at 3:32 pm

David,

You are right on track as usual. In your fictional story, I think China would like to attack us, but they are not that crazy.. but North Korea or Iran IS. Iran has been fine tuning its missile program lately. The ONE thing that makes China or N. Korea or Iran not attack us is our war technology, which is run on electricity. IF an EMP blast hit the US, it would be devastating, and true, our military is hardened against it, but who really knows what would happen if it really came true.. is our military hardened enough? The civilians would be left in the stone age, and that alone would make the US vulnerable to attack/invasion.. the Chinese have a standing 3 million man army, with no compunction about using them.

In Tom clancy’s novel “the sum of all fears” it was “radical Islam” that launched the nuke against the US, not neo-facists like in the movie.. its sad that the makers of the movie did not go true to the book, and Clancy caved, due to political Correctness. I agree with Dan, about fighting China in the next 10 years.

Regarding the economy, BOTH parties are to blame for this and BOTH parties are trying to make political hay out of this. Its crazy. What ever happened to regular, ordinary citizens being in the congress or house? we HAVE to return to that, and not have career politicians messing up the works.. people like you and me being in the Senate or house, then moving on after our term was finished. We would do what is right for our country and not try to further our own pockets or better our chance for re-election. Its high time we had normal everyday Americans in DC! I simply cannot believe that they are considering cutting down social security/medicare for our elderly (which I am fast approaching) when they gave Billions to AIG and others in this massive bailout? I say.. AMERICA FIRST! cut foreign aid to the minimum and use the savings to take care of our own people FIRST. What we are seeing now with Obama and the repubs is PURE THEATRE meant to cover their own butts because BOTH parties spent us into oblivion.

Sorry for the rant, folks.. best of luck to you all.

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+2 Vote -1 Vote +1Ron Lamb
July 15, 2011 at 3:51 pm

One of the best books I’ve read in quite some time is “One Second After”…..authors name doesn’t come to mind. It involves the grid going down after an EMP attack. It very accurately describes how society would fall apart after just 3 days without any electrical power. The story entails the activities of how one small town united together to survive this event. It was incredibly scary and sad how our society is so dependent upon certain common medications and how we would survive long if the supply is cut off.

I very much reccomend this book. You can also get the audio version from the library for your next long trip.

Ron

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Vote -1 Vote +1Suzanne
July 15, 2011 at 6:19 pm

I haven’t read any of the mentioned books, but I now have a trip to the library on my ‘to do’ list. Having grown up on a farm, we had beef, garden (canned and frozen vegetables) and a cistern for water. If the power went off we could tie a line to a bucket to get water (pump was electric). Heat was another matter, since we had an oil furnace. Thankfully, we didn’t loose power very often. Now, we have a wood stove, which I can also cook on. I am canning everything in sight–meats, especially, and even dried beans–because canned doesn’t take long to heat and eat! Water is an issue in an urban location.

. We (home in SC) went thru hurricane Hugo (escaped to AL), but had minimal damage. Power was out for 4 to 5 wks. in places. It was an “eye-opening” experience. Neighborhoods pulled together. Our church was a “soup kitchen,” using food thawing in home freezers. But we did have folks that “used” us/our generosity. That puts an unpleasant taste in one’s mouth. These days, I’m afraid that would end up being a mob scene. People who depend on others (read EBT & welfare) will not be prepared and will expect/demand others/you to take care of them. I dread that sort of situation.

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Vote -1 Vote +1ray holt
July 15, 2011 at 6:41 pm

Dave, by the way, y2k was not a major issue because of the widespread preventions and reprogramming of major computers. as a computer designer and programmer the problem was real. you need to push y2k as a real prevention lesson as opposed to making fun of it as some piece of fiction. Ray

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Vote -1 Vote +1Uncle Tom
July 15, 2011 at 9:19 pm

William Forstchen wrote “One Second After”. Great book. I literally just finished reading it two days ago.
Over and over, we are reminded of how tightly linked everything in our supply chain is. I live on the Gulf Coast and we are reminded of that fact every hurricane season. Just the threat of a hurricane and the store shelves are wiped clean. Then it takes days to re-stock. Except for New Orleans, I suspect Gulf Coast people are some of the most prepared people in the country. We go through this drill every year. There’s no excuse for us not being prepared for at least a month without power. We just hope we don’t have to use it.

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Vote -1 Vote +1Youthhawker
July 15, 2011 at 9:29 pm

I’m very new at this sort of thing, including my working knowledge of technology; one of the reasons I left the U.S., my country T’is-of-Thee is because I see a usurper bringing down our country or at least leading it down the path to Socialism if not Communism and suppressing all of our hard-earned benefits; although I was one of the youngest Volunteers of WWII, I did not receive a pension, so if the Annointed one tries to suppress my private funds, I will be among those who will do all that needs to be done at the Voting Booth before this happens; thank God for the Hammer of the American voter, if his power is used, for I think He will be thrown out of office before that event.
I INTEND TO SURVIVE AND BE PART OF THE RALLYING CRY; I AM NOT READY NOR WILL I BE READY TO LIE DOWN AFTER FIGHTING IN TWO BRANCHES FOR OUR SURVIVAL AND OUR FREEDOMS.
YOUTHHAWKER 1

Could some generous soul inform me how to buy and apply said book to an I-Pod I won. As I mentioned, at age 82 one has a hard job joining the “Techies” of our times.

God Bless evryone of you out there- from the Pacifc shores of Panama
Youthhawker

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Vote -1 Vote +1Glenna
July 15, 2011 at 10:15 pm

Continue to enjoy all your words of wisdom. I believe that our country has many threats and probably the most disturbing are the internal ones. I keep hoping that our elected oofficials will step up and show they are leaders but I am continually disappointed. I used to think that the best solution to “:term limits” was to vote the best choice, but now I can see where so many (a majority in fact) are more concerned about getting re-elected and make decisions based on the perceived model they project. They are not that concerned about what’s best for the country, but prefer to make decisions based on what’s best for their re-election. They spend their time on that issue rather than doing their job. We are making progress on preparing for the worst. Lots of groceries, first aid, etc and plan next week or so to purchase a couple of guns before Obama takes that freedom away from us by executive order. Thanks again for remaining steadfast and keep on keeping on.

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Vote -1 Vote +1Lou
July 15, 2011 at 11:02 pm

David, I am a Navy disabled vet 80% service-connected, but I get paid at the rate of 100% cause PTSD is technically a “psych” catagory, anything over 70% , and the government just pays out full benies….also, on SSD which is a “given” once military disability kicks in….I also have a modest trust fund (monthly) which is interest generated from principle which has been “invested” and diversified……Long story short, it has been a great “ride” for the past 6 or so years…..but, none of these incomes is “safe” and long-term, I have no back-ups of any kind when each fail….and they will….just a matter of time…..I retired in Florida (cheap cost of living) and I donot see many here in the Panhandle Gulf Coast who are getting prepared…..most folks are still spending $$$$ like no tomorrow, without rhyme or reason…..Me ?? A widow now, on my own, no kids or family here to speak of, today, I found a suitable home for my Dachshund, who is a fussy eater, and not such a good scrapper…..If there were a burglary, she would certainly sleep through, buried under the covers….I have a crapload of classifieds, selling (what used to be) important household stuff to me, but not so much, lately……all of it will soon be “gone”…..I just hang in my bedroom, spending most evenings working, reading, learning (internet)…..trying to educate myself, and remembering things my Dad once told me of the Great Depression….6th grade education, he was one of the smartest and most dependable guys I ever knew…..just before he died (96) he taught me this…..”Take people as you find them..” Pretty sure he was NEVER surrounded by the sheer number of lunatics that I am right now……My uncle ( south Florida) is also a widow, has built , over the years, a tidy sum based upon U.S. Treasury notes and bonds…..sucking up a measly 2.1 % interest, while COLA has been accelerating by 3.1—4.5 % per annum……(losing proposition all the way around)…..back in HIS day, Pres. Roosevelt CONFISCATED all the private citizen=held gold and precious metals….(federal necessity)……1932 it was, I believe) and it crippled folks’ ability to support themselves…..my dad almost starved as a child many times, I have heard many other bad stories from others…..Yet, even though (uncle, USAF retired and double dipper) lived through this time of fear, and social unrest, he (uncle) says to me on the phone last month, the following…..” What ?? You do not ACTUALLY think the president ( Barry-O ) would be LYING to us, do you ?? ” Nope, Uncle Junior, and I REALLY believe Seal Team Six swooped in and blasted (what’s his name) in the dead of night with 2 choppers, one which never made it outta there…..( No one with advancedkidney disease has ever lived OVER the 6-yr mark,,,,and somehow, this guy lived 11 years ?? ) An Obama fairy tale….. Oh, spare me….He was on dialysis, for God’s sake…..I told Uncle to bail out of Treasury bonds, he says “what should I buy ? ” I reply, sugar, cotton, oil, water, rice, GOLD……if it says USA , dump it…..if it says China, or Russia, India, Suisse, Norway, Australia, Canada, then BUY THE STUFF…..”where would I store that much GOLD if I had it come to the house ?? ” Dig a hole in the back yard, uncle, or throw it in some empty soda cans and put them in the frig….He thinks I am being completely irrational, and my family thinks I am a @#$%^&*& lunatic……and they all also believe they will live to see the Cubs finally win a World Series…..I just told him this….okay, uncle, when the D-Day comes, and #$%^& hits the fan, do not send me a letter stating you need me to parcel post you a case of canned tuna…..cause I ain’t doing it……last night, on YOU TUBE , I watched several videos, claiming that the “mark of the beast” was, indeed the new RIFD chip which begins with debit/bank cards, and then turns physical (forehead or hand) at some future time…..if this were not scary enough, it also was claimed (separate search on YouTube) that knowledge of many guillotines (for beheading) are being positioned in major world cities at this present time…..secretly ??……or, present government knows ?? I have much more to say, but will not bore you to tears tonight….In closing, I am remembering what my dad’s credo used to be…..” We move BEFORE we get blindsided, not waiting until it is too late, never…..when animals smell smoke in the forest, or sense a drop in barametric pressure, do they RUN ?? Or, do they wait to see evidence of FIRE, or hurricane, tornado ? ” (nope, they run when they smell ‘smoke, change in air’ ) Let us all begin to pray, that whatever, and whenever we decide to do (to prep) we have not waited for too, too long…..If it is tied to US worth $$$ or currency, then BAIL NOW…..life insurance, IRAs, 401K, bonds, currencies, etc…….and may the Lord be with us all……What a time to be with no husband…..I am lonely, and plenty scared of the unknown……peace…

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Vote -1 Vote +1PJtiger
August 3, 2011 at 12:01 am

Dear Lou,
You are not alone, tho never married I too feel scared sometimes and even wish I had a room-mate. I Never wanted one before, but do not like the place empty for even a little. When you get scared just remember who your Father is. Do you know the poem “Footprints in the Sand”? When you feel the most alone and scared Father is actually carrying you through it. Must be as you are here to write that very good comment.
My situation much like yours, they think I am nuts and the wealthiest refuse to put away so much as a cup of water. Kind of funny, my reaction like yours, don’t call me. They are too far away to actually Come, but I am surrounded by “welfare rats”…tho who “work” the system and they scare the cr___ out of me in the coming future. I read one article that stated the people of These times would resort to Cannibalism in….15 Days. They will not try for one second to do anything for themselves, they will riot and steal. The “entitlement generation” regardless of age, confound me. How can someone think they are Entitled to something just because they want it.
And, by the way…if I hear S.S. and Medicare called “unfunded” or “entitlement” programs being cut…welfare recipients have no fear. YOU are fully funded. Just to be sure, I went and got a 20 yr. old pay stub, and sure enough there were the taxes I Paid for the funds.
Sorry that ended as a rant, I wanted to encourage you and thank you for your words.
Stay strong and remember…they can only kill you once. Your soul is forever.

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+2 Vote -1 Vote +1Michael Sylvester
July 16, 2011 at 2:29 am

In reality the Chinese plan to take our country by force. Soon.
They feel they have a right. In a speach from 2006 Vice Chairman of China’s Military Commision
Comrade Chi Haotian Says so.
Read the speach here:
http://www.rense.com/general85/China'sPlanToConquer.htm

Quote:
“It is indeed brutal to kill one or two hundred million Americans. But that is the only path that will secure a Chinese century, a century in which the CCP leads the world. We, as revolutionary humanitarians, do not want deaths, But if history confronts us with a choice between deaths of Chinese and those of Americans, we’d have to pick the latter, as, for us, it is more important to safeguard the lives of the Chinese people and the life of our Party. The last problem I want to talk about is of firmly seizing the preparations for military battle. The central committee believes, as long as we resolve the United States problem at one blow, our domestic problems will all be readily solved. Therefore, our military battle preparation appears to aim at Taiwan, but in fact is aimed at the United States, and the preparation is far beyond the scope of attacking aircraft carriers or satellites. Marxism pointed out that violence is the midwife for the birth of the new society. Therefore war is the midwife for the birth of China’s century.”

There are more pressing problems at hand. I expect the biggest solar flare ever seen in history the latter half of August. The “comet” Elinin is about to pass in between Earth and the sun.
See the type flares pulled off the sun when a comet passes close to the sun in a video on electric comet theory. It shows video astronomers have taken that is typical of this event.
See video showing flares here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RXQJR5SSFk&feature=player_embedded
Nasa has issued catastrophe preparedness warnings to their own people. Not giving any specifics though. You can bet Nasa employees know what’s coming.
Jet Propulsion Labs (part of Nasa) is tracking Elinin and has a program you can use to see where Elinin will be as it comes to perogee (closest point to the sun, when huge flares are always pulled off the sun ahead of them). Our planet will be in the line of fire of this flare.
See JPL’s program here:
http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/sbdb.cgi?sstr=C%2F2010%20X1;orb=1%20
If we are struck by a solar flare bigger than the one of 1859 we will be thrown back into the 1800′s.
Say goodby to electricity.
I hope I’m wrong but I don’t think so. Is it coincidence FEMA has bought most of the best quality freeze dried food from the biggest manufactureres for the next 6 months? 400,000,000 freeze dried meals. I believe right now the Bilderbergers and lesser billionares are stockpiling their personal bunkers and underground cities. No notice for the rest of you.
This “comet” has aligned with Earth and the sun and one or two other planets each time we’ve had major quakes for 20 months now. It passes directly between us and the sun September 26th.
Expect the New Madrid fault to puke then. 3 day eclipse? Maybe. I’m betting on it.
In mid October it crosses our orbital path just ahead of us. The first week of November we pass through whatever debris it has drug along out of the asteroid belt. Do you understand what the term “wormwood” means? Check your Bible. We have immense radiation here now from Japan. Not in the news, huh?
When the Israelites left Egypt and the 10 plagues of Egypt wiped out most of humanity, it was caused by the Earth passing through the tail of a comet. All the drinkable water was fouled.
This time it’s going to be radiation and whatever the “comet” Elinin dumps on us in November.
Get good, inexpensiveceramic water filters here:
http://shop.monolithic.com/collections/types?q=water+filter
Prepare for Biblical scale catastrophes this year. Japan was small compared to what we’re getting.
I believe starting with the MAJOR solar flare last week of August.

I hope I’m wrong. Invasion of the US by Russia from the north and China from the west?
It’s in all prophecies for the near future. America doesn’t even get honorable mention.
Why? Something knocks us out of our power position. I believe this “comet” is the event.
We are hated above all else today because of illegal actions our gubmint is doing around the world.
We have one valuable thing left here. Our farmland and water. They will be coming for that soon.
We’re fooked. Buy beans, bullets, guns from individuals (no gubmint paper trail).
If you can, get underground. Get out of the cities.
I’m sorry. I’ve warned you. That’s all I can do. I hope I’m wrong.
Michael

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+1 Vote -1 Vote +1BonnieC3
July 16, 2011 at 5:52 am

I’ve felt “led” to prepare for “something” my whole life. It’s becoming more & more clear everyday for the what that “something” is. One thing I’ve learned is that what is called a “simpler” life is anything but. Growing your own food for example is nearly a full time job. I often laugh when I see the adds for “survival seed banks”. If a crisis happened mid-summer, you are a full year from those seeds producing food for you. Even if a crisis happened at the exact time of early spring to plant those seeds, you are still months from harvest. And you then need the know-how and supplies to preserve that harvest and save the seeds for the next planting…. Preparedness requires more than just purchasing a bunch of stuff…
Oops, time to go milk the cow!

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+1 Vote -1 Vote +1Wayne
July 16, 2011 at 7:21 am

We’ve been able to get a grip on most of our needs. The 220 (electric) submersible deep well pump (our well is 210′ deep) is one challenge we have not overcome. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Right now we have the temporary solution of a generator – but you can only stockpile so much fuel.

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Vote -1 Vote +1EricS
July 20, 2011 at 10:06 am

Wayne,

I have a 260 foot well with water at 160 feet. I have a solar pumping system that will pump 5 gallons a minute and an old-fashioned hand pump attachment that I can hook up to PVC pipe or a hose and drop it into the well. This produces about the same….5 gallons per minute. Just Google and check out a few sites…there are many purchasing options. A 300 gallon water storage tank comes in handy for filling (slowly) with the solar and the hand pump works with no electricity (just a lot of elbow grease).
Eric

Eric

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+1 Vote -1 Vote +1Sam
July 16, 2011 at 8:38 am

My current favorite is the TV series “Jericho”. (post nuclear terrorist attacks) It is kind of sop-opera-ish, but provokes thought on survival and self-reliance. Also, “Altas Shrugged” may not be a doomsday story, but the mindset of “galt’s gulch” is a model for hope and recovery after the collapse. Actually, if you pay attention to the news, we are seeing the story played out.

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+1 Vote -1 Vote +1JJM
July 16, 2011 at 12:34 pm

1 week of food in the pantry is OK if you have 0 threat of anything happening to our food supply. Potential supply disruption is good reason to stock and cycle at an absolute minimum, a month’s worth of food. And if you stockpile a year of non-perishable food and nothing happens, at the very least you have buffered the cost of inflation and made a good investment. A good example: 2 months ago I could buy 2 pound cans of coffee on sale for $5 and yesterday the same generic brands now cost $8. Obvious that if I bought 10 cans, it would have been an excellant investment. Make a wise investment that can save maney, but more important, might save your life.

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Vote -1 Vote +1Arwen in NJ
July 16, 2011 at 10:12 pm

“Lucifer’s Hammer” is a good “survival “read.

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+1 Vote -1 Vote +1little
July 16, 2011 at 10:32 pm

Am 68, and spent summers in country. So know how to hunt, fish,plant garden. Could make it on my own for a while. The problem would be to fight an army, nuclear fallout, etc.
If our leaders keep driving us to the poor house, our country will not be able to keep up with the rest of the world, then they will just walk in, and one day we’ll go by the post office and look up and see a chinese flag flying. We have to pray every night that our leaders find a way to get us out of this jam, and we have to make the right choices when we VOTE IN 2012! GOD BLESS AMERICA

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+1 Vote -1 Vote +1stan
July 17, 2011 at 9:50 am

Wayne:

Our well is 450 feet deep and I have done some extensive research. There are solar powered pumps capable of providing the same water service you enjoy now and even a hand powered pump capable of drawing water from 800 feet. While this hand pump will do the job it most likely will not provide a lot of fllow. Just Google it and you will find it. I would include the website but my puter went down and the harddrive was wiped.

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Vote -1 Vote +1Myron White
July 18, 2011 at 11:55 am

A few months ago I read “One Second After” and it reminded me of “Alas Babylon” which I read in the early 60′s. I found it at the library and reread it. Thoes two books are a good course on the psychology and mind set of survival in a modern day disaster of any size or scope. Read and enjoy and be inspired to a greater level of preperation.

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Vote -1 Vote +1Jarrod in Texas
July 21, 2011 at 12:25 am

I am a recently converted prepper. My whole family is on board, and we are making the necessary arrangements and setting up our own family SOP’s. Being a veteran, 2 years in Iraq as a fire team leader, infantry, I have found that my military and infantry training is easily converted into prepping. My only true dilemma is I am from central Oregon, and now live in north central Texas. I do not believe that Texas, specifically were we live is viable or sustainable for long term survival in place. Does any one here think it wise of me to try and relocate my family back to central Oregon, if I make the necessary arrangements i.e. storing extra fuel, and three different routes back to Oregon? Or do I try to survive in place? I have a reasonable food supply, to which I add every time I go shopping. I have made a lot of preparations in which i’d rather not discuss due to my paranoia regarding OPSEC. Any insight would be valuable. I look forward to your comments and thoughts.

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Vote -1 Vote +1PJtiger
August 1, 2011 at 4:46 pm

Hey, Jarrod ! Flight or fight. Always a dilemma. I am Not new to reading tips, some say..” if you are not already There, do not even try or you will anger those that are.” Valid. BUt, like you, I am in an ultimately, absolutely unsafe, unsustainable area. After 3 yrs. of dithering, I am going to run for it and hope for the best. You must consider: are you going to try city living or are you “heading for the hills”. Another dilemma. Smaller towns close to wild areas will be Much safer than a city, you can stay in your house till you have to Bug Out, and if you go to the right areas, bugging out can mean a 20 min. brisk trot to the hills. Are you going to rent or buy? Land I would Strongly suggest outright cash purchase so no wall street wolves can sell yr. mortgage as an investment! That may mean a smaller piece than perfect, but you are bugging out, right? Homesteading no longer possible and squatting risky if events take longer than expected. I am a firm believer in when, not if. “They” cannot cover this up much longer. So, whatever you decide..do it asap. Personally feel Barely o.k. if I B.O. before election, tho stage one will be …sooner.B.O. is stage 2.
Hope this is of some help. As to quoted time-
lines, every single one I noticed was Wrong so you must decide for yourself.
Good Luck PJtiger

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Vote -1 Vote +1walter davis
July 31, 2011 at 9:46 pm

Sounds like a good read. I always thought Atlas Shugged was a pretty acurate look at how things would end up. That is what I have tried to plan for. Civil collaps comes in many forms I suppose.

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Vote -1 Vote +1PJtiger
August 1, 2011 at 12:34 pm

Threat from China??? Immense. They are already filling “super-stores” with toxic and or will break after first use junk.Note: they are doing this to their own people; Poison milk, wholesale restaurant dumplings that are up to 60 percent…cardboard !!! Have you noted there are no more recalls? Same stuff still coming in. And staffing those stores wipes out jobs for..I believe it was 200 Miles!! Even if you Can’t find an employee on the floor. Further note:it is not just super-stores, it is durn near in every aspect of every business in the country! They are “allegedly” dumping U.S. dollars, paying just about any dollar price to put them in ” durable goods “. They are buying manufacturing mines in Africa, so soon; if not already..no matter What the label says…Something will be made in China. Plastics, metals,pvc pipe Do You want to trust your drinking water to a pvc pipe that has who knows what in it to make it more…marketable. And we are????friends. Ridiculous. What might they do when we are Not friends? Anything and everything they can. Does anyone know how much American property and businesses they have purchased over the decades? Is probably staggering.
Atlas Shrugged changed my life for the Much better…my greatest “fear” is something she did Not think of. We, The People being so drugged with toxins, pollutants and genetically altered Crap that we cannot concentrate, are lethargic, apathetic, seemingly uncaring because we can barely Think through the drugging.
As to “debt-ceiling debate”: I just!! read on another location that the whole thing was a late….April Fools Joke. Not mainstream news, a place similar to this. They admitted they wanted to see if !!! anyone was paying attention !!!..; what would happen if they threatened Social Security, something no other administration has even dared to consider . all with much chortleing and elbow jabbing. Last comment from the “hoods on the Hill” was :” Don’t Make us do this again, America”
They bandied “jokes” about how hard it was to keep a straight face through it all. Every Single one of them, from bottom to top. Yes, there are always a few exceptions. I hope I go back and find article was untrue. If the administration is really That willing to tell us something like that…well, I am 54 and keep saying Nothing will surprise me anymore. I’ll have to stop saying that now.
Hope I did not go on while not making sense.
PJtiger

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Vote -1 Vote +1PJtiger
August 1, 2011 at 1:01 pm

Hello, and sorry, me again. I made my comment Before I read yours To Michael: you mention Almost everything else I could have, glad I did not take the time. The One exception? Fracking. A nasty number, that one…being done all over the place. Want to take a guess at what might happen to our country when “alternate severe cosmic forces” get ahold of a country where a Huge amount of the crust under our lands has been intentionally …broken into chunks??? All for access to natural gas. OH Goody.
To the lady who laughs at seed banks..the banks Are Very expensive and you are correct about time to grow the food…BUT…if everything does not just wipe us out…we are going to need seed for everything from food to medicine. And of course the knowledge to use it.Horizen Herbs.com has an incredible supply of individual seed packets, vegetable, medicinal,culinary…you name it. Also a small supply of books of “knowledge” Excellent prices. And they will vacuum pack yr. seeds for a modest fee.
PJtiger

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Vote -1 Vote +1Mike Swan
August 6, 2011 at 7:55 pm

Glad to see someone else still has their eye on the ball.

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