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Vote -1 Vote +1Harley Krager
July 30, 2010 at 10:46 am

Some of old fogies can’t remember all that European / one world global measurement ( meters, metric, liter and gram stuff ) how about showing
measurements / volume stuff in American talk ( ALSO )? All of my containers are
55 gal drums, 5, 2 and 1 gallon buckets also quarts an pints.
Why do we think we must learn Spanish and adopt ( furners ) way of doing
things?

THIS I AMERICA, LETS KEEP IT THAT WAY!

Thanks for all this good stuff you pass along.

Harley

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Vote -1 Vote +1David Morris
July 30, 2010 at 1:10 pm

Hey Harley,

I’m not sure what to say…I actually prefer the metric system and I’ve got an audience that is made up of a lot of international clients as well as American clients who have been stationed overseas at one point or another or who have scientific/medical backgrounds. Nalgenes and several other water storage products for camping are primarily calculated in liters, and in the case of activated charcoal, it’s easier to remember the 1kg purifies 1000 liters guideline than the “American” equivalent.

I hope that helps,

David

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Vote -1 Vote +1Rob
July 30, 2010 at 2:06 pm

David,

Maybe including both measurements in the articles would be the solution. For instance, where you say 1kg, also include 2.2 pounds in parenthesis (2.2 lbs) or 1000 liters (264 gallons). A nice online conversion tool is available at http://www.worldwidemetric.com/measurements.html.

Rob

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Vote -1 Vote +1Steven Wilgus
July 30, 2010 at 4:57 pm

hey folks, i am a pilot, nurse, certified respiratory therapist: the metric system is used the entire world over: and funny enough, ENGLISH is the international language of AVIATION and BUSINESS. i can tell you people have died needlessly in hospitals and at home due to incorrect doses [how darn big is a tablespoon? your or mine? new size spoon or really old ones -smaller I think] because the “old American measurements” failed: the medical practitioners screwed up the dose. Mom screwed up on the dose and gave too much/little. ml, liters, milligrams, kilometers all use factors of 10: the military already for decades do it. all those are SO much easier and safer to use I can not tell you how it makes life SO MUCH SAFER. please, get over it and get with it. Metric is so easy that it defies understanding why people don’t use it. i am an American, but I am also a realist. in medicine [for me, since 1974] the metric system has worked: I have had to re-learn the equivalent of an Associates Degree of NEW MATERIAL, MEDICATIONS, TREATMENTS and so on since i started. learning 10 new values [volume, distance and weight] was the easiest to do People “__itch” about it and it’s so simple that even the darn communists use it. go figure huh???? jump in and grow up. keep the best and dump the rest. God Bless and Keep You All.

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Vote -1 Vote +1Derek Spalla
March 26, 2011 at 9:21 am

Harley,

The whole world uses the metric system except the United States. It is the measurement system used in science even in America. I would not take the position that America is right and the whole world is wrong. The metric system is the universal language of measure and we’re the only country that can’t speak it. Seems a little backwards to me.

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Vote -1 Vote +1Steven Wilgus
July 30, 2010 at 4:59 pm

I forgot to add I am also a Combat Fire Fighter and was in Iraq as a contract person. my familiarity with the metric system made transition to everywhere else easier. i figured out foreign fire fighting equipment a lot faster than others because I do know it.

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Vote -1 Vote +1John
August 10, 2010 at 8:25 am

David-Good Info. ,although i have agree with Harley & Rob { American in parenthesis } would be much more help to some / alot of us,either way Thanks.
PS Steven Wilgus- you have every right to disagree with the other comments , Don’t get childish & tell us “to grow up” because we don’t think just like you .

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Vote -1 Vote +11SG
August 10, 2010 at 6:50 pm

Don’t get too wrapped around the axle about metrics. Being an old retired Army guy I’ve learned the “easy” way to convert.

One liter = One Quart

Four Liters = One Gallon

Milli means 1,000 (as in 1,000 Milliliters is a Liter)

The above conversion between Quart and Liter is fairly precise.
A liter is precisely 1.0567 Gallons. Pretty darned close!

Now, if you know how many Cups in a Quart…

I hope that helps. That’s how I learned it back in ’76.

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Vote -1 Vote +1Pat Murray
September 25, 2010 at 7:22 am

Almost right, but when precision counts, please let’s use the conversion table. 1 quart is 1.1 liters, and a gallon is 5 liters, and so on. The nurse is right – my father died of a guesstimate in a hospital…

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Vote -1 Vote +1james m.
August 11, 2010 at 1:39 pm

Is that there one bucket or two. ? Is there holes in the bottom for the water to drain thru ? Is that there bucket sitting on top of a bigger water catcher ? What keeps the water from going all over the place ? I dont know bout all them metricks, but I can tell you it dont make a bit of diffarance in how it purifies. All you need to know is the components and their location in the bucket you use. I see seven layers of materels in that there bucket and whatever size bucket you use just devide the height by seven and you will have the right amount of particles, no matter what part of the earth your a livin on. As fer as how much water you get, it depends on how much water you purrify before it gets dirty.

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+1 Vote -1 Vote +1David Morris
August 11, 2010 at 2:40 pm

Hey James,

You can set it up however you want. You can drill 1 hole and put a ball valve off of the bottom of the bucket, you can punch lots of holes like you suggested and catch the water in another container, or do something completely different.

The setup can be made with an upside down plastic Coke bottle with the bottom cut out, a length of PVC pipe, a bucket, a clean 55 gallon drum, or any other configuration you can dream up.

You’re right on the metrics…they are simply the easiest units to use. There’s nothing stopping anyone from doing things more difficultly and using “American” units…it will just require more complex math and brain power.

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Vote -1 Vote +1Eldridge
September 9, 2010 at 10:46 am

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Vote -1 Vote +1James Richardson
September 23, 2010 at 8:18 pm

I’m 69 years old and don’t care anything about liters, millimeters, etc. You can’t teach an old dog new tricks. For us feeble minded old folks please include the American measurements. America was a great country until we switched to the metric movement. That enabled everyone to manufacture anything we use. Such as China, Japan, India, etc…. When we converted to metrics it began the downfall of the USA. I don’t understand why you are so against the use of both measurements. That way everyone can benefit from your info. 100% American.

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Vote -1 Vote +1James Richardson
September 23, 2010 at 8:23 pm

If you aren’t going to include American measurements can you give us a site where we can get the information in American. I was in the service but that was before we became enlighten and switched. I worked in the construction industry. To this day all blueprints are given in feet, inches, etc. None of that foreign crap for me.

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+1 Vote -1 Vote +1David Morris
September 24, 2010 at 10:11 am

Hey James,

I have to respectfully disagree with you and everyone who claims to be more American because they don’t use the metric system. I doubt that our troops shooting 9mm, 5.56, 40MM or 105MM rounds think of them as being “un-American.” I also doubt that anyone injured CONUS or overseas minds that a bag of saline or Ringer’s solution come in 1 liter bags or that a unit of blood is 450ml.

Metric doesn’t mean un-American. It’s used because it is easy to remember, it’s safer in medical situations, and because it simplifies many calculations. As an example, using the metric system, 1 gram of activated charcoal has the ability to filter approximately 1 liter of water. In the camping and survival world, most water containers are deliniated using the metric system, so it makes sense to use the system that’s most widely used and accepted.

Using the “American” system, 1.83kg of charcoal=4 pounds. 1830 liters=483 gallons. So, 1 pound of activated charcoal will filter approximately 121 gallons.

As to teaching an old dog new tricks…if you consider yourself an old dog and you want to do well in a survival situation, you’re going to NEED to be able to learn new tricks. That’s a survival skill…improvise, adapt, & overcome.

Besides…the metric system is MUCH easier for “feeble minded old folks” <your words, not mine 🙂 On that note, if you're only 69 and already calling yourself old, you need to talk to some of my readers who are in their late 70s and still doing martial arts. I was talking to one a couple of months ago who JUST stopped running 100 mile trail races when he hit 75. His body didn't give out…he was just too busy with other stuff to keep up the training schedule.

Granted, most bodies don't last that well, but I wanted to mention it because if you put artificial constraints on yourself because of the year you were born, you're shorting yourself. If you have specific issues, that's one thing…but simply discounting your ability to learn because of your age isn't going to do you any good.

As to a website where you can convert metric to other units…you can do a Google search like the following:
convert 1830 liters to gallons
and you'll get the result.

Keep learning and stretching your mind, James…it will keep you young.

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Vote -1 Vote +1KNOWLEDGEISPOWER
September 24, 2010 at 3:23 pm

David, you’ve got wisdom, knowledge, and tact – and your website is absolutely fantastic. I’ve studied preparations for over a decade, and the manner in which you deliver practical and realistic solutions is superb. I will soon be purchasing your full Survive in Place course, and I know, based on the quality of these blog posts thus far, it will be a real gem. I currently live in Honolulu, HI, so “bugging out” to a rural environment simply isn’t in the reality of our survival situation, so I am looking forward to digging into your thoughts and strategies that are specifically tailored to urban living.

Lastly, one thought for collecting, storing, and retrieving knowledge before, during, and after an emergency: the Amazon Kindle. The Kindle can hold hundreds, if not thousands, of pdf files. Nearly every great knowledge, technical, educational, and survival manual / resource can be bought, found, or converted onto pdf. Ultra compact, you can then carry the resources of a library in the size of a standard book. Hard, crush proof and waterproof cases can be bought for it, and it’s ultra-low power consumption combined with the ability to be recharged, say from a Eton crank / solar generator radio via USB or directly from a small solar panel, means it will ‘nearly’ always be accessible. Caution must be taken to appropriately have a Faraday cage made to protect it in the event of KNOWN EMP situation, but as with all electronic devices you can never become over-reliant on electronic resources, knowing that the only knowledge you might be able to access is what’s in between your ears. Also, a small caveat is you have to pre-load what you want to read because if the electricity is out, you won’t be syncing up with your computer. True, nothing will ever replace the good old paper system, but this option does replace many, many heavy, not easily transportable books.

Thanks David, for empowering and educating people to be part of the solution, not part of the problem.

Aloha!
KNOWLEDGEISPOWER

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Vote -1 Vote +1COUNTRYGIRL
April 25, 2011 at 12:08 pm

I DON’T WANT TO GET TOO INVOLVED IN THE “METRIC VERSUS AMERICAN” SYSTEMS… BUT SOME ARE MISSING THE POINT HERE. MANY OF US GREW UP AND LIVED (76 YRS. IN MY CASE) WITH NO NEED OF METRIC KNOWLEDGE. AND EVEN NOW UNLESS WE ARE INVOLVED IN SOME TECHNICAL ISSUE, METRIC IS NOT NEEDED. CERTAINLY NOT FOR THE SIMPLE TYPES OF PREPARATIONS TO BE LEARNED HERE. I AM NOT TOO OLD TO LEARN METRIC, BUT DON.T NEED TO. I DO HAVE A CONVERSION TABLE, BUT STILL THINK YOU COULD JUST AS EASILY INCLUDE BOTH MEASUREMENTS. I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT, AS WOULD MANY OTHERS. THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU DO, AND FOR LETTING ME PUT IN MY 2CENTS WORTH.

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Vote -1 Vote +1shipcarpenter305
September 16, 2011 at 11:10 am

Seems to me everyone already knows ‘Metric’ –
$1,000
$100
$10
$1
.10 cents
.01 penny
We all know $1776 – $911 = $865.00
Easy (kind of).

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Vote -1 Vote +1Steven Harris
September 16, 2011 at 11:36 am

DO NOT rinse out your soda bottles with soap and water… all you’ll get is a soaping tasting water. Just rinse it ONCE with water and FILL IT UP. DO NOT NOT NOT put chlorine in it, let alone Dave did not even tell you how much to put in, I’ll tell you, PUT NONE IN. The water does not need it, it’ll just make it taste horrible, the water won’t go bad, there is nothing in it to go bad. Tap water from the TAP or the WELL is 100% PERFECT to store for decades in soda bottles.

Rinse ONCE – hot or cold does not matter
NO SOAP
NO CHLORINE

I have 15 year old tap water in soda bottles. Its FINE. Yes I’ve tested it and drank it.

Get ‘er done.
More Family Preparedness at
http://www.BeforeTheStormHits.com

Steve

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Vote -1 Vote +1David Morris
September 16, 2011 at 12:18 pm

Hey Steven,

Thanks for your input on this. We’ve gone two different routes…you’ve had good success with yours and I’ve had good success with mine, but I do have to fundamentally disagree with the idea of storing water in a container that contains food for bacteria (sugar).

I use soap to clean bottles and don’t get soapy tasting water. I guess you could make it taste soapy if you used too much soap or didn’t rinse it, but it just hasn’t been an issue for us.

I also use chlorine to make sure that I’m starting out with a container/water that doesn’t have creepy crawlies in it and don’t have a problem with the taste of chlorine in water after a year or two.

It just goes to show that there are different ways to skin a cat.

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Vote -1 Vote +1Ernest
September 16, 2011 at 4:39 pm

Activated Charcoal is good for upset stomach as well. It’s good to buy some in capsule form it works as good as the pink stuff with out plugging you up.
http://www.ehow.com/facts_5255120_charcoal-pills.html

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Vote -1 Vote +1Mike
September 27, 2011 at 3:36 pm

Great info, Dave.

I understand that different units of measure can be confusing, but going between basic units, such as quarts to liters is really not hard, as long as you don’t need an absolute result. (And if you do, google “quarts to liters” or whatever, and you’ll have exact conversion info. After all — if you’re reading Dave’s blog, you obviously have access to the internet.)

1SG was right with his rule-of-thumb conversions. They’re generally “close enough for government work.” However, it’s important to watch out for typos — obviously, 1 liter is NOT precisely 1.0567 gallons. (Quarts, anyone?) Same for Pat Murray’s statement that a gallon equals 5 liters. A liter is greater than a quart, so that should be 4 liters, as 1SG wrote. (Or, 3.785 if you’re picky.) We need to do everything we can to reduce confusion, not add to it by making little errors.

I think we hijacked the thread by getting into this whole discussion of metric VS “American.” Back on topic, the water filter is a great idea that should be easy to fabricate, and I don’t believe the exact measurements are critical. As for storage, I’ll use soap when washing my bottles, thank you very much!

I like the Kindle idea to store a mutitude of knowledge. I dodn’t have one, as I really like paper books, and have always used the counter argument, that with paper you don’t need electricity. But, a good idea, with valid arguments. Maybe an iPad for even more flexibility?

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