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Vote -1 Vote +1Mark W
July 16, 2010 at 7:45 am

In response to your piece about 401(k) plans….. the government is
considering requiring that at least a part of every account in such plans be invested in an annuity, which in turn would have to be backed by (drumroll) U.S.

Treasury bonds. This would ensure a huge new market for these things. No bills contain this yet, but various Congressional staffers are considering
how to get this into law.

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Vote -1 Vote +1David Morris
July 22, 2010 at 11:07 pm

Hopefully this doesn’t happen, Mark, but the fact remains that money in qualified plans is trapped and is subject to the whims of Congress and the Fed.

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Vote -1 Vote +1Cat C
July 16, 2010 at 8:41 am

I read your newsletters with great interest and also purchased your book. Excellent insights and advice.

Contrary to popular advice, I believe it would be best for me to take a different tack in an emergency (depending on what it is, of course). I wouldn’t want to carry on in a world where people are shooting and killing each other, not to mention the grim task of disposing of bodies. Pass on that.

Instead, I would want to help save lives and create goodwill. Naive, you say? Well, psychologically people would be a lot more willing to protect me, rather than harm me, if I am providing goods and services. It’s counterproductive to bite the hand that feeds you. I would try to get an effort going where people can become involved and contribute. True, we all may die, but at least we could go out like human beings instead of lower life forms. That has to be worth something.

I live on a couple of acres bordered by two county roads (evacuation routes). I am installing a well with alternative energy in an area where nearly everyone is on city water. It would be no sacrifice for me to provide free water, the most pressing need. Also provide some food without using my personal stores. Maybe set up some tents for triage (is there a doctor in the house?) or emergency shelter. Picture the goodwill created, the people working with me and those that are being helped, who would band together in my defense. There is safety in numbers. My husband and I could go underground if we chose, but as an older couple, I think we would have an impossible time defending ourselves against hungry mobs. It’s sort of a “if you can’t beat ‘em, join ‘em” scenario.

I’m a Sociologist and Social Worker who has studied group behavior. I know the risks. I would rather risk it and help, and in the process, maybe save myself. Think about it. What kind of world are you willing to defend?

Best to you,
Cat C

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Vote -1 Vote +1David Morris
July 22, 2010 at 11:13 pm

Hey Cat,

Normally, I would tell people who suggested your course of action that they are being naive. The fact that you’re a social worker, have studied group psychology and hopefully disaster psychology, I’ll just tell you that I’ll be praying for you and the thousands like you.

History has shown that the open approach that you’re suggesting ends up being taken advantage of and abused when civil order breaks down, but as long as you’re aware of that, then I wish you success, safety, and peace.

If you DO commit to the path you are suggesting, I want to suggest a liberal use of hidden supply caches and training in empty hands and firearms defense…nothing like insuring peace through superior firepower.

David

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Vote -1 Vote +1Mike Bius
July 16, 2010 at 8:41 am

Regarding the doctor admitting that “1500 people” were sickened, this is very sloppy reporting. 1) Dr. Sanjay Gupta said “up to” 1500 people – not that 1500 people had been sickened! 2) The BP doctor (O’Shea) pointed out that they have 40,000 responders working in the effort. Having some experience in manufacturing management, I can tell you that a 4% sick rate is very normal for any type of light factory work. This kind of field work is more difficult and many of the responders are away from home, doing more difficult work, etc. If we look at a population of 40,000 for 3 months and an annualized sick rate of 4%, that would account for 400 people just normally getting sick / injured, at a very conservative estimate. Thus, while there are undoubtedly some workplace issues associated with this cleanup (and I wouldn’t want to be doing that work), the numbers are being bandied about to hype this and create more traffic for news reporters.

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Vote -1 Vote +1David Morris
July 16, 2010 at 11:54 pm

Great stuff, Mike! Just the kind of reasonable analysis that we should expect from journalists. Thank you.

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Vote -1 Vote +1Cody S. Alderson
July 16, 2010 at 9:11 am

There is a 13 second video of CNN’s Dr. Sanjay Gupta referring to a quote of Dr. Kevin O’shea who is British Petroleum’s lead doctor at the Gulf oil spill. The soundbite from Dr. Gupta says, “Today doctor Kevin O’shea, he’s the physician in charge of BP’s medical response in the gulf. He told me that in the four states effected by the spill, more than fifteen hundred cleanup workers have now complained of some illness or injury.”

I don’t often become informal in writing something with my name attached to it but this one deserves a DUH!

John Curry, a spokesman for BP said, “The company has hired more than twenty-thousand people as part of the response to the April twentieth accident and its aftermath.” So for the over 1500 to 20,000 ratio we are looking at about 7.5% of workers seeking treatment for, “illness or INJURY.” (Emphasis is mine).

With it being summer in the south it is hot. People are out there wearing boots and other protective gear using tools such as shovels to clean up. There is an interesting quote found on Michael Moore’s website. Not wanting to just quote conservatives or look biased in any way, I decided to quote from a well-known liberal:

“West Jefferson Medical Center spokeswoman Taslin Alfonso said Thursday that doctors believe the likely cause is chemical irritation and dehydration from long hours working in the heat.
Alfonso said the workers told doctors they believe chemicals used to break up the oil made them sick.”

So the “likely cause is chemical irritation and dehydration from long hours working in the heat.” Of course there is gong to be some chemical irritation for some susceptible individuals. We short-term ourselves to toxic chemicals almost every single day. Pump some gas in the tank. Hey, can you smell those gas fumes from the lawnmower? The reason you are smelling them is because you are breathing in volatile organic compounds.

The smell coming from those buildings that are having a flat roof redone is similar to what some of the workers are sucking into their lungs. I can barely stand to get close to one of those buildings having a roof redone. Why, because I’m susceptible to such irritants. The guys up on those flat roof tops spreading that gunk around on a 90 degree day are usually just wearing jeans, no shirt and there isn’t a mask or respirator in site.

Now the part about working in the high humidity and high temperatures in the gulf is obvious. If all of the workers were soldiers who are literally forced to remain hydrated correctly, I would expect an extreme drop in heat related illness. Plus soldiers are trained to work under such conditions. The 20,000 is civilian workers. Can someone show me the logistical plan initiated to keep every single worker properly hydrated while they are working in the heat? The military has one.

CNN and all the rest of the for-profit media can only make a dime when the story is sensational. Who is going to tune in or read a story that tells that everything is fine, nothing to see here folks? Now consider further the inundation of sound, video and images coming from the oil spill. Just like Hollywood making as many sequels that it can to milk every last penny out of a cash cow blockbuster, so will the media spin and spin until every last advertising dollar can be extracted from any incident.

I was reading facebook the other day when a friend posted an expletive about BP and was hoping that no one was still buying from them. However, she still has to put gas and oil in her car to get around. She’s mad at BP though and is going to boycott them. However, She is not boycotting the whole oil industry because she would have to walk to work. It was going to happen sooner or later and BP just drew the short straw. Anything that mankind can do well mankind can also err and do wrong.

So 1500 cleanup workers have complained of illness or injury. How many were injured as opposed to the numbers complaining of illness? Anyone slip on the oil and break a leg? Plus there is a well known group dynamic of anxiety and panic induced illness when the group hears of other members getting sick when they are all participating in something together. It works on individuals too. When the water company employees came to replace the water meter in my basement I told one worker about the radon. His eyes got really big and I have rarely seen someone work that fast!

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Vote -1 Vote +1David Morris
July 17, 2010 at 12:05 am

Cody hit 2 of my biggest problems with the mis-reporting on this issue…that “injury” is part of the 1500 and that heat and exertion play a role.

The rest of what he says is just plain great logic…I’d call it common sense, but it doesn’t seem like it’s too common.

For those of you who don’t know who Cody is, he’s an awesome writer who I have watched for the last couple of years who writes for the USCCA (http://checkout.usccastore.com/aff/4FCD09A245760D0129B2A43D0C051600/index.html) That’s the US Concealed Carry Organization that my good friend, Tim Schmidt started.

It’s worth signing up for their free newsletter just to read Cody’s articles.

David

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Vote -1 Vote +1Jeremy Kraemer
July 16, 2010 at 9:51 am

While the disaster in the gulf raises concerns of our government’s lack of emergency response capabilities, it seems we cannot go a day without hearing about it. I’m not trying to denounce the significance of it, but there are more pressing concerns that, at least, I am more worried about, ie. foreign EMP capabilities, nuclear ambitions, Bilderberg meetings, government stockpiling, solar flares, etc. I’ve always enjoyed receiving my SurviveInPlace newsletters as an alternative to mainstream media. Please don’t let that come to an end!

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Vote -1 Vote +1David Morris
July 17, 2010 at 12:11 am

Hey Jeremy,

It won’t come to an end :) You’re right about EMPs, manipulation of the dollar, and natural disasters…they’re all very present threats.

I try not to go too deep on any single issue that’s not broadly accepted, simply because my goal is to help as many people as possible get prepared in a pragmatic, stable way that will help them regardless of the disaster that they face.

Regardless of how much the threats you mentioned may affect the US at some point, they requre a much longer learning curve for people to get a handle on than disasters that are getting daily play by the mainstream media.

I really appreciate your comments :)

David

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Vote -1 Vote +1rick dormeyer
July 16, 2010 at 6:13 pm

refreshing and invigorating. oh, how nice truth is.

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Vote -1 Vote +1rick dormeyer
July 16, 2010 at 6:26 pm

where do I find silencer?

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Vote -1 Vote +1David Morris
July 17, 2010 at 12:13 am

Here you go… http://sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?a=471502 It’s not technically a silencer, which is why it doesn’t currently require a tax stamp…it just ends up being very quiet out of a bolt rifle.

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Vote -1 Vote +1Bobbi Retta
February 17, 2011 at 9:57 pm

I’ve been here a few times and it seems like your articles get much more informative each time. Maintain it up I appreciate reading them.

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Vote -1 Vote +1D. JAMES SMITH
March 5, 2011 at 12:56 am

RE: “BP Doctor” Heresay:
Wouldn’t Clean-Up Workers have become sick well before now?
Precisely “1,500″ sickened? Sounds too neat & tidy.
When & Where did Doctor address this?…What is Doctor’s Name?
Wouldn’t a Press or Public Affairs Representative disclose this, or at least also be involved?

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