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+4 Vote -1 Vote +1Nancy Kosling
May 25, 2011 at 9:28 am

I’ve resolved to toss out ‘Better Homes & Gardens’ look totally. My sofa is 18″ from the wall for sleeping bags and pads storage behind it. The spare bath stores TP for the year in the same colorful pattern from the grocery store eco-water-proof tent/tarp fabric bags that stack nicely. The same bathroom has a virgin bathtub with three 7-gallon water containers. With spare bookshelves in the unused bedroom, I’ve split the shelf use between books and number 10 freeze dry and dehydrated food products. In theory lifting the bed gives you great storage, but then you need a ladder to get in and out of bed. Picture a miss step in the night and an broken arm or leg thereafter. Old folks do not fall well. It is the old folks that have some extra change to buy the food storage in the first place. I fill my car with twenty bags of shelf stable food and spend a week with each of my children.. We set up a big chrome shelving unit and create the start of their food storage. If no one in your home is a mad-wheely (wheelchair user) that takes out wall paint on the way through, making cases of food into side tables and coffee tables is OK. That is the “I can’t give up the Better Homes & Garden look”. I have opted for that chrome warehouse look even in the bedroom, just so I have enough room for my wheelies.

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+1 Vote -1 Vote +1Danny Holstein
September 15, 2011 at 7:25 am

what are # 10 cans & where do you get them!!?

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Vote -1 Vote +1John B. Barrett
October 10, 2011 at 9:34 am

They are the large commercial cans that hold approx. 1 gallon. You can get them at Sam’s Club. However, I would suggest that it is better to get smaller, serving-sized cans, as it is easy for food in #10 cans to spoil before it is used. In addition, even a few even #10 cans weigh too much for most people to carry with then, whereas most people can carry quite a few serving-sized cans if necessary.

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Vote -1 Vote +1Kevin
July 12, 2012 at 1:47 pm

14.5oz can could make a great tosser if someone were to break in also!

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Vote -1 Vote +1Carol Roberts
June 10, 2011 at 10:16 pm

I am way behind, I just found out about all that’s happening. I live on a meager permanent disability income. How and where can people such as myself get such large quantities of food and water. I have the bed of my truck loaded. Will the sun make my can goods go bad ? What about the water ? I need to get one of those water filter systems that stands alone, but they are 410 dollars. I’ve been trying to save for nearly 5 months, but with my income I’ll never make it, as I don’t yet have enough for myself, let alone my grown daughters and grandchldren who refuse to see the truth of what is coming. So I have 8 souls that will depend on me when the SHTF. Can anyone please help me ? They both struggle on low income to meet their daily needs let alone save anything, if that is they were awake to what is going to happen. thanks

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+2 Vote -1 Vote +1Mississippi Mike
June 12, 2011 at 6:45 pm

Have moved back to my roots from the Big Easy(New Orleans)
I long ago squandered most of any income on ” fast living”

Stuff like peanut butter and honey will keep fresh or are easily restored and can feed you for a time in a tight. Find a farmer co-operative and buy small amounts of seed for planting each week.
You can grow sprouts and there is much info available on line how to do to feed yourself.
Put back can sardines.and dehydrated soup like Lipton’s chicken noodle,spaghetti,noodles and Raymond Soup………..cheap stuff like that.
Plant peanuts like ground cover. Sweet potatoes ,Irish spuds,green onions,onions and greens are a good start.

Find a near- by and stock it with cheap fingerlings available at most farmer co-ops on the cheap. You know how to fish ? If not , you can learn fast.
Pigeons ( feathered rats) will feed you when well cooked

Some Asian restaurants have been caught serving cats & dogs.
The Lewis & Clark Party , the explores, survived on dog meat during hard times.
In general,if it grows,walks,fly ,swims or crawls ……..you may be able to survive on it given little or no other choice.

M’sippi Mike

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+1 Vote -1 Vote +1Larry Lovell
July 15, 2011 at 4:18 pm

My suggestion is to start slow. When you go to the store to buy green beans, buy two cans. When one is used, buy two more, etc. You can use old clorox bottles for water storage. Each time a bottle is empty, fill it with water. You can also do this with soda bottles. You can purchase some individual water/filter bottles for under $30. These are good for camping as well. You just add water and drink it through the filter: 99.9% contaminants are removed (good for flood areas as well). I could suggest several sources or you can google them.

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+2 Vote -1 Vote +1Rachel
July 19, 2011 at 7:59 pm

Hi Carol,

I am also on social security disability income and in the same boat. What I have discovered is that there are alot of regular canned goods that have a 1 to 2 year expiration date. Then I go to stores like Sav-A-Lot and buy their discounted, but non dented, can goods. I can save up to half on corn, peas, beans and things like that. The products are quite tasty too, just not name brand. That helps me to prepare on a budget. I buy in half case lots when I can, so that runs about $5 to $6 for 12 cans of peas, corn, beans, etc. alot cheaper than name brands now a days. Once I build up to a case of each of these vegetables and drinking water, then I check out Family Dollar and General Dollar stores for specials on medical supplies (bandaids, etc.), plastic totes, can openers, matches, candles, etc. Once these are done, I check out the longer life #10′s here and even if one or two cans per month is all I can afford, I get them. Lastly, I look at canned meats from the local grocery store. The on sale, 10 for $10 items, especially the cans of Treat and Premium White Tuna, I load up on, because they have close to or slightly over a 2 year shelf life. I also look for deals on Ebay and Amazon.com to get boxes of prepackaged moist wipes, boxes of ketsup, salad dressing, pickle relish and mustard. These can help to give you the condiments for sandwiches if the electric is off. I hope this helps you some….rachel

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Vote -1 Vote +1Ernest
August 31, 2011 at 9:46 am

We are in very similar circumstances. You have to just take things one step at a time. You can not save and buy extra food and supplies at the same time. It has helped me by using Davids info to help me to prioritize the steps then try to stick to the plan. Looking at the whole goal was crushing however if you take prepping a step at a time I find it much easier to accomplish the steps. Keep the big picture in mind that way if you see neighbors discard something you can use snatch it up. As our comments have said you may have to give up the notion that your home needs to keep that better homes and garden look. We had to give up cable TV to make room in our budget to invest in food, drink and such in the future. We get a lot more done now that we are not caught up with the boob tube. When we need a break we just rent a few movies. Now I spend my time reading and learning new skills that I my be able to use to barter in the future. That doesn’t cost much if anything and gives you comfort that you are doing something positive.

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Vote -1 Vote +1Michael G.
September 1, 2011 at 4:59 pm

Hi Carol,
These are some of the same things I’ve been considering for myself. My wife died 4 years ago, and whats left of my family lives in another state. So, I just have myself, and my neighbors to consider.
One suggestion might be to contact your church members and voice your concerns to them. Perhaps they can help. I don’t have a water purification system, and have thought about getting one. Meanwhile, I’ve stocked up on what I can. If things went bad and stayed that way for a long time I’d be done for.
I think there are a lot of people in our situation.
Good luck, and pray–a lot.

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Vote -1 Vote +1Cliff
December 10, 2011 at 10:16 am

You should choose one, luck or prayer. The two are incompatible.

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Vote -1 Vote +1Jan C.
September 9, 2011 at 4:52 pm

I buy one more can on a shopping trip of a canned food that we will already like. So that as a family stocks their pantry slowly, I recommend using a crayon, grease pencil or sharpie to date cans so to rotate them into the meals before they spoil.

When out of work, someone (nameless) gave us accidentally all their canned but spoiled food, Not interested in getting sick on top of being out of work, we checked and dumped the rancid or spoiled cans. Don’t let your food supply be a surprise when you need it.

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+1 Vote -1 Vote +1MamaHabu
September 12, 2011 at 9:34 pm

I understand your financial problems, I too am on a limited income. As far as large quantities of food… you can pick up a dehydrator pretty cheap, and zip-lock vaccum seal bags to make your own supply. Cans Might go bad if exposed to weather, depending on what’s in them. You can make an easy water-filter from pvc pipe and aquarium charcoal… (watch > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8VQk4isaOM )
Make a PLAN. Write it down. And remember, in survival – YOUR needs come first, then others.

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Vote -1 Vote +1Lori
October 31, 2011 at 6:18 am

If you do a search on home made water filters, you can find several. I found one using a 2-liter soda bottle, sand, small rocks, cotton ballsand charcoal. remember, filters do not get rid of contaminates. the charcoal does.

We have an Aldi’s (a cheap store for groceries) and buy as we have money. Make or find recipes that use only canned goods and spices and buy those ingredients. I discovered if you’re going to put the food in boxes, box by meal and not all like ingredients together. It’s easier to rotate.

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Vote -1 Vote +1David Morris
October 31, 2011 at 10:43 am
Vote -1 Vote +1John B. Barrett
October 10, 2011 at 9:52 am

A MSR Mini-Works Microfilter will filter approx. 2,000 liters of water per cartridge. The entire unit is available for under $100. The replacement cartridges are about $35.00. I got one for my son and one for myself 7 or 8 years ago for backpacking with the Boy Scouts. The only problem we have ever had was when some other boys pumped off the bottom of a lake and plugged the filter. It was easily cleaned and worked like new. The Scoutmaster had a Katadyn filter with a paper element, and had to replace the element before he could use the filter again.

The filter leaves a slight medicinal taste, but removes many chemicals. It is sold as a micro-filter, but actually meets EPA requirements for a purifyer. While we have only used them for backpacking, they would work great in emergencies as well.

Miniworks microfilters are available on-line at Cabela’s, Gander Mountain and Bass Pro Shops. Many other outdoor and camping supply stores also carry them.

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-1 Vote -1 Vote +1Nicholas
April 22, 2012 at 9:08 am

The things you have in the bed of your truck should be moved immediately to an inside temp controlled location, if they have been there long and have experienced temperature extremes you need to use them now, and replace them with fresh. As far as the water filter part of your question, Birkey makes a lite/light model that costs around $200 or you can buy the filters and a spigot and a couple of plastic tubs with lids and make your own for about half of the above price. Also I would consider making your own colloidal silver generator (info and instructions can be found on line using a search engine like Google). The silver generator can be made for under $100 and will provide you with a natural antibiotic/antiviral liquid.

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Vote -1 Vote +1davidmobile
April 22, 2012 at 11:06 am

A, perhaps better, approach would be to simply rotate the items in your truck often. This is a problem faced by everyone who has a 72 hour kit in their car.

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Vote -1 Vote +1Kitty
April 23, 2012 at 11:24 am

For carol and others. if you’re using a place like the bed of your truck for food storage, or a storage shed, then you’re food storage will be degraded as the heat gets to it. if you want to protect it, then consider a toneau cover (sounds like tonto. LOL) I’ve probably spelled it wrong anyway. they are bed covers that are level with the top of the bed. anyway, place a sheet of plywood on top of your cans and fasten a layer of foam insulation over it and close the toneau cover. alterntatively put a cap on your bed. you could even put your sleeping bags and a couple layers of foam in there for your own use as a matress and protection from the cold in an emergency.

Regarding canned food, I once stored a case of green beans in the trunk over winter. they got mushy and did not feel right after freezing and thawing multiple times but still tasted ok. I used them all. the only problem with this method of storage is feel and looks, and the possibility of condensation degrading the cans themselves and causing rust. if possible change them out frequently. or consider dried food which you can dry yourself in a home made food dehydrator.

for water remember storage water in a hot environment will begin to taste like plastic in about 3 months. for a more economical water filter do a google search for homemade water filter. I found one site suggestion that used the replacement parts of a well known commercial water filter system and two five gallon food storage buckets with some spare parts. it was still expensive but not nearly as much as buying the whole system from the company.
for getting your kids on board, I haven’t managed that yet, but possibly pointing out the need for having everything for a week of camping in their own home without utilities will get them started. cases to point out would be katrina and snowstorms which take out power. if they decide to store enough for a week that will help you not to be so worried. then of course is the suggestion that they try it for a 24 hour period to see of they forgot anything.

Anyway hope that will get you started, Kitty

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Vote -1 Vote +1Elizabeth Morrow
June 12, 2011 at 4:16 pm

Thanks for these great tips. I have a well that my house had been connected to. VA loan required it to be switched to city water. I will be switching back soon. Question: How do I get water if electricity is interrupted? Thanks, Elizabeth

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-1 Vote -1 Vote +1lonetrader
July 6, 2011 at 9:48 am

If you don’t have one, a large storage tank. I am on a well here in Nevada. None of these wells here have a storage tank. I have one going in soon. In California on a well, it is a requirement to have a storage tank of at least 5,000 gallons. I am going to put in a 10,000 gallon which is what I had in California. I live alone, don’t need that much, but. The ones that will be migrating to my place in the event it happens, I want enough water. I also suggest a good RV style generator to power your well and freezers, refrigerators. You will also need a master switch or automatic switch to disconnect the main power. If the main power comes back on when your generator is running and hooked up, it will make a big explosion. You don’t want that. You should have at least 7K Gen. and not the cheap portable kind they sell at Home depot. Those will burn up in a few days. Experience here.

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+1 Vote -1 Vote +1David Morris
July 6, 2011 at 3:23 pm

Great points…In some cases, you can buy a complete used RV trailer for the price of the generator.

Also, on portable electric generators…all are not created equal. Check out the article I wrote here: http://secretsofurbansurvival.com/512/how-to-power-appliances-after-a-disaster/

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Vote -1 Vote +1Eightsouthman
July 6, 2011 at 11:05 am

Elizabeth, what sort of well do you have? How large is the casing. You can use a hand pump on any well. They work really well, no pun intended. I like the pump originated in the Orient that once is primed, pumps itself. As it brings up water, the water is dumped into a cup on the end of the handle forcing it down to draw up the next load of water. In an emergency, it’s easy to make a bucket from pvc. Use Pvc smaller than your casing and put a cap on the bottom that you put a hole in with a shaft much smaller that goes through it with something a bit larger on the bottom end to push the shaft with a sealing surface on top that will be pushed down by the weight of the water and seal the hole in the bottom as you pull the bucket up, giving you a full bucket every time. You only have to sit the bucket in whatever you haul your water in and the shaft will be pushed up to let the water flow out the bottom. This is a bucket that would only require a little while to build. You can use other materials also such as any type of metal although aluminum isn’t good for you so SS could be very thin and last virtually forever. If it’s going to be a permanent situation though, you’ll want to use a hand pump of some sort. I like the idea of the Oriental perpetual motion pump that would fill a large size container such as a livestock trough you could keep full and stock with catfish and using a screen wire a few inches off the bottom you could raise crawdads, a delicacy(eat the tail, suck the head… mmmmmm, along with the catfish.

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Vote -1 Vote +1Eightsouthman
July 6, 2011 at 4:06 pm

So sorry I left out my top way to get water with no electricity. Nothing beats a windmill with a holding tank as far off the ground as possible. It doesn’t take much height to produce a good amount of pressure and the larger the tank, the more pressure is generated also. If you can afford a small pump that you can run with solar panels, so much the better.

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Vote -1 Vote +1Helen
August 5, 2011 at 12:41 pm

Hi Eightsouthman,

Can you please tell me where I can get intructions on how to build something like the water windmill you are talking about.

Thanks,

Helen

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Vote -1 Vote +1Ernest
August 31, 2011 at 9:56 am

Look for a generator and or an inverter. the inverter you can hook to your cars battery the inverter converts the 12 system of your car into 120 volts to run the pump. You need to check to see that you pump uses 120 volts or 240 volts. If the pump needs more than 12 volts you will need a generator. Then you need some storage containers like plastic barrels to store your water in. So that you don’t need to run the pump every time you need water. I have bought clean plastic drums for $20. You might also get another drum to collect rain water.

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Vote -1 Vote +1Kitty
April 23, 2012 at 11:27 am

if you have a well that’s large enough for a bucket, use a bucket and a rope. that’s what we did when I was a girl.otherwise I understand there are hand pumps avaialble to attach to a narrow well. or a generator possible. in case of flood, you’ll need to purify that water though. the well can be flooded with feces and other pollutants.

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Vote -1 Vote +1Bill
July 6, 2011 at 9:10 am

@Carol Roberts: You need to find a better place than a truck bed. The high temperature will reduce shelf life to months.

@Elizabeth Morrow: See if you can get a pitcher pump installed as an alternative. You can have a place to screw it in which is normally covered with an end cap. Or, if you want it to be installed all of the time, you will need a valve just below it. Otherwise, it will likely allow too much air to get in and thus prevent the electric pump from working. (A pitcher pump is a rather crude easily maintained device which dates back to mid-1800s in current form.) I got one from Harbor Freight for only $20.

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Vote -1 Vote +1Jhardin
July 6, 2011 at 10:04 am

Lehman’s is an old style hardware store that is in Amish country in Ohio. You can get many off the grid items from them.

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Vote -1 Vote +1Margaret
September 1, 2011 at 11:21 am
+3 Vote -1 Vote +1David Evans
July 6, 2011 at 10:05 am

Over the last three years my wife (40), son (10) and I (65) have built a little over 1,000 square feet of vegetable garden. This year we have already harvested 20 quarts of corn, 20 quarts of Green beans, 15 pounds of Cucumbers, about 30 pounds of tomatoes and have taken our first sampling of new potatoes, which should yield about 75 to 100 pounds at the end of the day. We have been using the onions and will have about 20 pounds or so and have used all of the peas already…….they were great. Radishes, chilies, beets, pinto beans (first planting 1th of July replacing the corn, just coming up and growing), dill, oregano, basil, cabbage, garlic, cantaloupe, watermelon, cilantro, asparagus, sage, mint and more. Our estimate of value on our crops this year that will not be finished until frost in November is about $1,500 to $2,000 and actually it is more than that considering the expenses and costs we are averting. We live in a suburban area and have about 1/2 acre of land that used to be all grass and was very pretty. All of our available space, now, is either in growing use but mostly in the planning and implementation stage; it is beautiful with living wholesome good stuff all around us. Our land is not flat and our soil is not perfect farm land, but there are so many ways to overcome these issues for very little to no $…………….Just a little work instead of setting in front of the TV listening to all of the negative BS press. I am happy to help anyone who wants to know how. David, Arkansas, USA

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+3 Vote -1 Vote +1Daniel New
July 9, 2011 at 8:28 am

Water. Cheap. Disinfected. Start with a little bleach, but that’s not really good for your stomach. You can buy ION Drops (by several names) in any health food store – water purification drops which will kill ALL anaerobic bacteria. Less than $30 will purify 500 gallons, and unlike filtrated or distilled water, it won’t recontaminate! Proven clean a decade later. So, if you’re on a tight budget, start with water purification drops – you can literally drink ditch water after treating, without expensive filters (do filter it, however, perhaps with a coffee filter or panty-hose to get the suspended solids.) The other factor here is that you cannot carry 500 gallons of water, not even in a truck, but you can carry two ounces of water purification drops in a pocket.

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-3 Vote -1 Vote +1Martin Fano
July 9, 2011 at 12:57 pm

Good information, but way “over the top”.I am a retired Army officer and I know a thing or two about NBC and Bio warfare. But I believe you are starting to sound like one of those “looney tunes survivalist” that are holed up in the Michigan woods waiting for the world to end! Whats your next recommendation..an M-16 and a million rounds of ammo?..miles of concertina wire, claymore mines…a fortified compound in the “boonies”???? Come on all you are doing is scaring folks with all this domesday stuff. I keep a safety kit at the house, water , food for about a month.I have safety boxes full of supplies like batteries, medical supplies etc. But I am not planing on a log term (years) survival plan! It is virtually impossible to safe guard against the scenarios you are suggesting.To tell you the truth when society totally collapses and all goes to hell then how long will people last if they follow your guidlines? a month, two?..then what? Most people do not have the money or the knowledge to look after themselves when all fails. To tell you the truth if the NBC / Bio scenario ever does show up it is probably best just to kiss your butt good bye and get it over with..as what is left will not be worth living for. You would do better trying to teach these folks how to properly plan to be able to survive their retirement years as most are going to live a life of misery in thier so called golden years than Armagedon, Nuclear war, famine and all the other domesday stuff. I believe this is just a way to scare the hell out of people s they will buy your book. I believe you should stick to the basics and drop all the crazy “what if’s”

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+4 Vote -1 Vote +1David Morris
July 9, 2011 at 1:17 pm

Thanks Martin, but I’m quite confused about what you’re talking about since almost nothing that you said applies to Henre’s article or anything that I’ve ever written.

Henre’s article (above) was about what to do if you have a very limited amount of space and still want to keep food storage on hand. It didn’t have anything to do with NBC or bio (which, as I’m sure you know with your experience, but some might not, is redundant since NBC stands for Nuclear, Biological, Chemical, but has been switched over (probably since you retired) to CBRN for Chemical, Biological, Radiological, and Nuclear.) It was specifically directed towards retirees living in small spaces who asked how in the heck they could possibly store 1, 3, 6, or 12 months of food and/or water.

If you’re saying that it’s “over the top” and “loonie toons” for retirees to develop a disaster plan that takes into account their current living conditions, then you’ll find that most people here ARE “over the top.” Call us nuts for wanting to prepare for the trouble we see on the horizon.

As to how long people will survive, mileage will vary, but the guidelines that I share have been time tested in war torn and post economic collapse urban areas around the globe for the last 70 years as well as having been used by residents in recent years in Haiti, Somalia, Zimbabwe, Argentina, Sadr City, New Orleans, and more.

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+4 Vote -1 Vote +1dlt
August 24, 2011 at 9:49 pm

call me nuts too.I’m not paranoid about it. there is nothing wrong with being prepared , and as far as the storing of food goes, if you never use it for a major disaster, at least you will have some spare food and if you lose your job and things get tough for awhile , well then you won’t starve. I am enjoying this actually. It’s just some good advice. I have been seeing what has been coming for awhile now , but for some doggone reason never started to do anything about it before. this makes alot of sense. Thx Dave

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Vote -1 Vote +1Michael G.
September 1, 2011 at 5:33 pm

Your statement makes two of us. I’ve done some prep items off and on for a time. I did this mainly because my in-laws did the same thing on the farm. They told me it was quite common to be stranded with no way to go anywhere for up to three weeks at a time. They told my wife and me you need to have food stocks on hand because you never know when it will happen to you.
I think it was good advice, and I’ve been doing this for a time, and need to increase what I’ve been doing.
One question… Are any of these solar-powered electrical generators any good? I really don’t know.
Thanks for whatever info you folks can provide…

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+1 Vote -1 Vote +1governmentwatchman
November 6, 2011 at 9:54 am

At age 74 and 75, disabled on limited income, we are still inclined to do what we can as we can to meet as best we can whatever the eventualities may be. Boy Scouts we could never afford to be but the Scout Motto; BE PREPARED, along with the axiom, FOREWARNED IS FOREARMED; these making sense to us as we are country folks that grew up poor.
WISDOM IS WHERE YOU FIND IT; INTELLIGENCE IS THE RECOGNITION OF WISDOM AND SEEKING BY EVERY MEANS TO SEEK TO APPLY IT TO THE MAXIMUM IN AN ONGOING EFFORT TO LIVE SUCCESSFULLY.
We who belong to Jehovah God through Christ Jesus have the addition of a TRULY COMPLETE FAIL SAFE PLAN regardless of what even happens. that fact the only thing that keeps us going!!!

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Vote -1 Vote +1nanook
September 8, 2011 at 6:59 am

I, too, am retired military. Martin sounds like one of the officers that sat behind a desk, was non-combat arms, and was probably an under-achiever through-out his career, and votes democrat. He has forgotten one lesson that all true warriors have instilled through training or is genetic, NEVER GIVE UP!!! Enough said.
I, on the other hand, am doing everything I can to ensure the survival of all my family & neighbors that I can. I live in a rural area of Oklahoma and hard times are not a stranger to this Okie, as it was instilled in me early on how hard the 30′s were.
A question I have is about “shelf life” of canned goods. I know that I have eaten “C Rat’s” that were 12 to 15 years old. They didn’t taste any different than newer ones. Hah!, they were all bad! Therefore, I would think there was a “safety margin” figured in as to their true expiration.
And yeah, I’ve got weapons, ammo, precious metal, generator, water, food, etc.. Mostly, I trust in GOD to get us through what is obviously coming. De Oppresso Liber!

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-1 Vote -1 Vote +1Caribou
February 23, 2012 at 10:25 pm

I have always heard that as long as the seal was good the food inside was fine. Bulged cans or jar lids is a big no-no. The jar lids or cans sometimes rust from the inside. Always inspect the jar/can before you open it, listen for the hiss when you first puncture the can, and look for the end to pop up. It is also good practice to inspect the can interior for rust or discoloration. I’ve eaten homed canned salmon that was lost on the back of a low shelf for ten or fifteen years. I did a good inspection before and after opening. I don’t bother with expiration dates on canned goods though I find that things that have more acid in them, like tomatoes, tend to eat through the cans faster. In my canning I find that the Ball brand lids with the enamel liner last the longest.

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+5 Vote -1 Vote +1Frank Brushinski
July 19, 2011 at 3:49 pm

I tend to agree with you on food storage and such. But my mind drifts in the direction of hand powered everything. Hand grain mill, hand meat grinder, hand pump on my well. If indeed the worst happens I predict that the rebuild of the (electrical) infrastructure is decades away. Food storage is the first step to ease the trauma of the events. Since they (stored foods) are a finite amount, no matter how much you have, the need to get back to living off the land is crucial.

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+4 Vote -1 Vote +1CHERIE
July 30, 2011 at 11:19 am

This reply is to Martin. I have read (from private and government sites)lately that one of the biggest threats that we face now and in the very near future is the war of the computer hacker both foreign and domestic. They are getting into every private and government site that is out there. I am preparing for natural events and electrical grid outages because that is what is most likely percentage wise to happen. If the hackers (foreign enemies, terrorists) shut down our grids, there will be no gas, no water, no stores, no food for some time. If that is looney toones to you…I think ” you”had better kiss “it” goodbye. I think you owe all of those giving suggestions an apology. It is better to be prepared than to be scared. God bless you even in your denial.
Cherie’ on the coast of South Carolina.

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Vote -1 Vote +1David Morris
July 30, 2011 at 12:10 pm

FYI, since 1999, China has publically stated (in books, print, TV, and live speaches) that hacking, economic meddling, and the use of illegal drugs are among the many options that they have for fighting a war with their enemies.

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+3 Vote -1 Vote +1teresa
July 31, 2011 at 8:57 pm

i don’t pay any mind to expiry dates for foods in tins. if it’s bloated or sounds hollow when shaken, it’s probably no good.

i grew up with a grandmother who used a wooden cutting board for everything. i obviously lived to tell about it. if anything in the fridge (like milk or meat or cheese) had gone over, it smelled/looked like it’d gone over and got tossed.

a little common sense goes a long way, IMO.

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+2 Vote -1 Vote +1Nancy Wassam
August 3, 2011 at 5:23 pm

Just a note regarding “Brand Names”: I used to work in a cheese plant and we would run the brand name our plant was named for, and then the paper was changed to a generic name and we continued running – same cheese, different name! I’m sure the canning factories do the same thing.

I would also like to mention that when we lived in a commercial farming area a few years ago, some farmers would allow us to “glean” their fields after the harvest. Some crops like broccoli continue to put on small side heads after the large head is cut off. One year I froze 56 quarts of broccoli which we gleaned from a field owned by a farmer in our church. You might check to see if there are any farmers in your area who might allow you to glean their fields (it worked for Ruth in the Bible!). Also, a processing plant nearby would allow you to pick up veggies that fell off the elevator going from the truck into the plant, since they couldn’t use them after they fell off. After some have fallen, any that fall on top of them are clean and not likely to be bruised!

Nancy from Missouri

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-1 Vote -1 Vote +1Nancy Wassam
August 3, 2011 at 5:49 pm

I forgot to mention that nowadays I hardly ever freeze anything for long term storage. I either dry or can them. I mostly use the freezer for short term – like storing blackberries or raspberries until I have time to juice them. I use a steam juicer. Leymans catalog (mentioned above) has rubber caps that can be used on wine or pop bottles (different sizes), as well as the steam juicer. The bottles seal securely and the juice is good for years.

I buy ground chuck and sausage in bulk, “scramble” it, put it in vacuum sealed bags in portions to fit my family, and freeze it. This way I can have a meal in minutes, literally, sinced the meat is already cooked. It works for spaghetti, goulash, sloppy joes, pizza, meat gravy, or whatever! Has anyone tried doing this and canning the already scrambled meat instead of freezing it?

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Vote -1 Vote +1Kitty
April 23, 2012 at 2:51 pm

I’ve canned meat already cooked or raw and the only thing you have to watch out for is fat on the seal. it will eventually rot the rubber. this can happen if you get it on the seal before you can it, or if you have the pressure going up and down a lot while canning. if you can bring it up and keep it at an even temp for the entire 100 minutes you’ll have a better product.

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+2 Vote -1 Vote +1Sondra
August 21, 2011 at 3:24 pm

Thanks for all you’re doing to help us out in preparing as we see fit for whatever comes our way. Each of us has a personal decision to make as far as how far we are comfortable with getting into this stuff. Some people don’t have the money, space, or want to get into more than just storing food & water for a short time for short emergencies. Others want to get into it full bore with solar panels, windmills, drilling wells etc. I don’t feel it’s right for Martin to tell others they are foolish to do these things. I too am a Navy, Air Force & Army veteran so know a little about CBRN and survival training but my situation is such that I am disabled & live in a senior facility so the extent of my money, space, ect. will be to do the minimum, water, rotate food storage, and medical supplies. I am envious of those who are off the grid and have the resources & health to grow their own food & prepare for the long haul. I am not scared just trying to make life a little easier for myself when sh!t hits the fan, which I’m sure it is about to. We all do what we are able or feel needs to be done for our personal situations. No one is trying to scare you Martin, you only take what information you feel you need, and each of us will do the same.

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+4 Vote -1 Vote +1tim
August 22, 2011 at 3:52 pm

good points, we luckily have a well,good acreage deer,rabbits,raccoon,blackberries,elderberries,apples,black raspberries,and a small river within 500 feet. lake erie is an easy bike ride away and I have a speargun if they aint biting.
I stocked up with a little of everything mre’s,freeze dried,canned,frozen,guns, ammo, first aid supplies, cleaning products etc. a little here and there. I hope and pray I will never need them but if I do they are there.

with all the unrest in the world and weather destroying crops I am very glad I did. something in my gut told me to, I cant say it has never been wrong but it has been right more times than not. we have been canning for years and we enjoy what we can, jelly,tomatos,beets,salsa,beans,and we stock up on sale items too. one thing I bought was canned butter and cheese both are great. best wishes to all and that includes the naysayers too.

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Vote -1 Vote +1Richard
August 31, 2011 at 9:12 am

I don’t think it is necessary for most of us to store a years supply of food, water or other emergency goods. I do, however suggest at least a months supply, three months at the most. Remember, this is an emergency, one days supply of food can be a 2 day supply and still keep you alive. I suggest you sacrifice a closet for the storage of your emergency supplies, put the odds and ends from the closet under the bed, you probably don’t need or use most of them anyway. I also stress you should prepare an emergency kit in a large wheeled storage unit with 3 days supply in the event you will have to leave your home temporarily.

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Vote -1 Vote +1Chuck Starnes, Sr.
August 31, 2011 at 10:05 am

I store some food and emergency supplies, but ultimately I am dependent on the Lord Jesus Christ. The Bible clearly reveals that the final show down is between Christ and Satan–between those who worship the beast (false christ) and his image (others who join the beast) and the true God who made and redeemed heaven and earth and the sea and all who dwell therin. The coming melt-down of the political, social, financial, physcial, and religious strcture of this worldl is revealed by God as His way of phasing out this world of sin and rebellion and making a new heaven and a new earth. The books of Daniel and Revelation in the Bible make this very clear. Regardless how much we stock pile–how well prepared we are–we will have to depend on the Lord to ultimately survive and enjoy an eternity with Him and His. The coming tribulation (worse than ever before–Daniel 12:1), to all who believe in Him, is really “Good news” Google “Amazing Facts” for details.

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+1 Vote -1 Vote +1Michael G.
September 1, 2011 at 5:46 pm

Chuck, this is a good response. But too, in addition, there might be someone in your neighborhood who doesn’t have very much to keep going on, and perhaps what you (and I)have could help that person a great deal.
I’ll continue to put things away–slowly of course…

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Vote -1 Vote +1governmentwatchman
November 6, 2011 at 10:11 am

Chuck Starnes. Well said. We who belong to Jehovah God in Christ Jesus are ever mindful that “though we walk THROUGH the Valley of Death” we are comforted by the Eternal Jehovah God who, to the extend that we allow in spite of our willfulness, HIS LEADERSHIP, GUIDANCE, DIRECTION AND PROTECTION . . . and thus we walk through the ‘mine field of our lives’ confident of our eternal destination regardless!!!

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Vote -1 Vote +1kathie
March 10, 2012 at 1:10 pm

amen brother…. Im preparing just because I feel a nudging too… After hurricane Irene affected us for 4 days, you never know…. Im hoping in the rapture, then my shelf items will help a fellow survivor who will find eats and life, im also including bibles!

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+1 Vote -1 Vote +1Sotarr the Wizard
August 31, 2011 at 5:43 pm

A note on canned goods: just because the date stamped on the can gives an expiration date, does NOT mean it’s no good afterwards: so long as the can isn’t punctured or swelling, canned food lasts a LOT longer. It may no longer be at the peak of taste, color, or nutrition, but you CAN survive on it. And in some cases, you’d be surprised how long properly canned food lasts: I’ve eaten 45+ year old canned bacon and powdered eggs when I was in the military: in fact, SOME of the cans dated to World War II. . . and we were eating them in a field mess in the mid-1990′s. . . .

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+1 Vote -1 Vote +1Big Red
August 31, 2011 at 7:38 pm

Beautifully said Chuck Starnes, and if we don’t stand by Israel we are doomed.

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+2 Vote -1 Vote +1nanook
September 8, 2011 at 7:13 am

AMEN!

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Vote -1 Vote +1Margo
September 9, 2011 at 8:54 pm

Since one can never be too complacent what with nature and mans intentions, it seems prudent to try to be as prepared as possible in the event of an emergency or disaster. A few other resources come to mind. Many of the local churches have “pantry’s where they not only give a monthly bag of dry staple food items thanks to food banks and contributions from local grocery chain stores and such at no cost but many also have a low cost”store” where they sell items such as cooking oils, and many canned/dry &/or bottled products, as well as personal hygiene items at deeply discounted costs and no taxes. Generallt these places do not have anything requiring refrigeration or freezing. Another resource at least here in So. Texas is the Angel Food Project” also thru some churches where you can purchase anywhere from $25 up for bulk meat products. The package willl vary but generallty has hamburger, cubed beef, roasts, chicken, sometimes sausage &/or other cuts and varieties. You order 2 weeks in advance and pay when you pick it up. You might give the various protestant churches a call and see what is available in your area.The Morman Missionaries (those young folks with white shirts & ties riding on bikes) can also get you information for free and w/o obligation on home preparedness such as mentioned above, with instructions on canning, etc. tools, cloth to be used for clothing etc. in other words, self reliance skills. Another excellent resource is “Mother Earth News”- any and all issues you can lay your hands on, its timeless! Where we are is semi-arid desert & under extreme draught conditions with almost no rain this year and temperatures exceeding 100 degrees daily for 8 months of the year, so little local produce is available to grow or even to get from a farm or a farmers market. I would suggest any one in a similiar situation to take advantage of an out-of-town trip or ask a friend who might be going where the situation is better to pick you up some items at a farm or market where they are visiting. Hope some of these ideas will help y’all out.

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Vote -1 Vote +1governmentwatchman
November 6, 2011 at 10:23 am

MARGO:
In addition, another excellent source is “Backwoods Home Magazine” web site; somewhat superior to most other similar publications; at least in my judgement based on long experience with most all publicationS in that venue.

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Vote -1 Vote +1Star River
September 10, 2011 at 2:09 am

Well, I do not know where Martin Lives, but for me, I LIVE in the Middle of the Pacific Ocean! Like we can count on the Federals to help us. It could take weeks for them to help us here. So, I am preparing for almost anything, except for Nuclear blast. Anyone who’s been to Hawaii knows that one bomb will pretty much decimate everything on the island as well as take out some of the surrounding islands. But, I am pretty much have the necessaries needed for a hurricane, earthquake, fire, and tsunamis. Tornadoes are rare here, but lately we’ve been gettin’ some funnels. They haven’t touched down yet, but most of us are not prepared for twisters. But, the one time an earthquake hit us here, our power was out and we couldn’t make use of our water or bathrooms. And since we live on an island, we do not have access to “wells”. So we have to resort to other things to keep water in. Most of us also do not have gutters, so we do not save the rain water. Though perhaps…I may start to price around and see if I can someone to install gutters around our house.
Thanks for the great info, I am limited on funds right now also, so these small tips and all helps to make sure I am on the right track.

Star

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Vote -1 Vote +1Paulene
September 11, 2011 at 10:20 am

I have read all the comments and I generally agree with what you are saying. It is smart to be prepared ….. but none of you have mentioned an awareness of needing to know what is happening in the rest of the world while we are busy saving ourselves. I have purchased a $20.00 5″ B/W television that runs on electricity and batteries. When I have no electricity, I can still know what is happening with the rest of the world while I am marooned and safe.

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Vote -1 Vote +1Meg
September 16, 2011 at 10:05 am

Hi all, this is an expensive solution but if you can save $799 you can get a 1 year supply for Shelf Reliance food from Costco. They have the number 10 cans everyone speaks about. If money is tight always remember you will be able to barter. What skills do you have to offer a community of survivors if they feed you? Any family heirlooms? If SHTF and you have no food go to your nearest Mormon church and convert. They will give you food. (I’m not Mormon)

http://www.costco.com/Common/Search.aspx?whse=BC&topnav=&search=shelf%20reliance&N=0&Ntt=shelf%20reliance&cm_re=1_en-_-Top_Left_Nav-_-Top_search&lang=en-US

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-1 Vote -1 Vote +1Buck Baker
September 27, 2011 at 9:46 am

Hi ya’ll. I had a well dug above the cabin Bought new septic tank, had the man that laid the water line down the hill to the cabin dig hole for tank. used gas engine on pump that the amish people around fixed for me. used a generator hooked to wet dry vac to attach to line at the cabin to start water down first time. Don’t let tank run dry. u can buy coleman tablets to purify any u put up. we have here a trucking co. that sells their dented cans. u can make emergency lighting with cooking oil with rolled up tissue for wick. coat ends of matches with clear finger polish. Storing items in fridge in plastic zip bags, zip near shut,breath into bag and seal. Bac. can’t live without oxygen. bon appite. buck baker, ozark mtns.

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Vote -1 Vote +1James A. Knight
September 27, 2011 at 6:01 pm

Thanks for your many interesting and useful suggestions. But in my opinion you are omitting the greatest danger of them all – worse than all the terrorists put together because it is the danger from within. The FDA. The FDA, in my opinion, has done, is doing, and will do more damage to each and every US resident than terrorists in their wildest dreams.

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Vote -1 Vote +1governmentwatchman
November 6, 2011 at 10:40 am

Mr. Knight is right on target!!!
If you depend on government for positive, proactive action in any area or at any time; you are heading up stream against swift current with NO PADDLE!
As it has always been, self dependence is what began this Nation and its continued positive existence is directly proportional to the degree that each of us responsible patriot citizens take the “bull by the horns” and stop the madness that has us on a high speed multilane steep downhill super expressway with traffic bumper to bumper, surely headed to total destruction BARRING DIVINE INTERVENTION!!!

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+1 Vote -1 Vote +1Denise
September 28, 2011 at 3:04 pm

I recently lived without electricity, unexpectedly, for 2 weeks. That means no water, too. Toilet flushing water is essential and doesn’t need to be real clean. You get my drift. Fill old milk jugs with water after rinsing well for flushing purposes. Can store on a porch, in garage, etc. Also use large plastic garbage cans with secure lids for this. I can’t do much, but I do what I can and have enough canned goods, water, first aid, and tp, stored for 3-4 weeks emergency. Am physically unable to do a garden but would if I could. Just do what you can and avoid panic. God will guide us.

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Vote -1 Vote +1Angela
October 8, 2011 at 6:30 am

“Fate Favors the Prepared.”
I just read this somewhere, isn’t it the truth?
We also have a duty before God to prepare, it would be sinful to “just kiss your butt good-bye” as Martin declares. That is slothful and ignorant.

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Vote -1 Vote +1kathie
March 10, 2012 at 1:17 pm

Hey, Josepth prepared and he saved a nation.. Just saying, God doesnt want us to be sleeping either…

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Vote -1 Vote +1willowa
October 29, 2011 at 10:33 am

One thing I don’t see people talking about (though they may be aware) is matches. How are you going to light your:candle, kerosene lamps, wood stoves, etc? (lighters, though a person should have some, only last so long and they are unhandy in some situations) Wooden (kitchen) matches; buy the ‘stike anywhere’ kind. In my experience, the US is the only country that makes them and someplaces they are getting a bit harder to find. The ‘strike on the box’ kind may seem safer, but with any care the ‘strike anywhere’ are fine. The ‘strike on the box’ have one distinct disadvantage, if the ‘striker strip’ on the side of the box wears out, and often it does, before the matches are gone, you are out of luck! One box of wooden matches (try to buy ‘diamond’ or ‘blue tip’. ‘penley’ is ok.) has 250 matches and a box of matchbooks has 1,000 matches. Wooden matches are best for ‘roughing it’ but the matchbooks will do most things you need at home, personally, I have both. I suspect most people won’t have any/enough and it may become a good barter item, if need be. Most stores don’t stock many matches, so they would go fast in any shortage situation.

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Vote -1 Vote +1SittingMooseShaman
October 29, 2011 at 6:40 pm

…well, when, “IT” comes. Whatever, “IT” may be … … …!?! …I’m totally F*****!!!! For you see… I’m quite ill and require MORPHINE 24/7!!! Now how in h***, do I and every one else in my terrible situation cope w/societal-economic era-collaspe!?! So? Whaddahyahgonnahdo!?!
“Trust in Father and His Son…listen to the ‘voice’ of Holy Spirit…” …So… ‘at’s what I’m gonna do…
I’m quite ill. Gettin’ up in years. …and am in need of MORPHINE, 24/7…
How can and/or may someone, ‘store’ a reserve of this needed medicine?!
Especially when living in NewNazi York State!!
…at least the lawmakers in Florida passed humane-laws down there which benefit the patient rather than rat-pig punk abusers(addicts) and [real] criminals!!

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Vote -1 Vote +1uglyfool
November 2, 2011 at 2:20 pm

A lot of folks out there may be in a big hurt if all goes to (expletives!!!!). I have a few years under my belt (78 plus) but have good health, 17 acres on a 7700 foot mountain top, big power plant and lots of propane to run it, lots of fire wood, underground shelter (left over from the 60′s), 15 gallon per minute well and good storage space. What I do not have is a good way of protecting my family from those who may wish to improperly appropriate what I do have. Perhaps there may be well armed ex military or militia type individuals somewhere near about that could fill this void in exchange for sharing.

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Vote -1 Vote +1Suzanne Koeppen
November 3, 2011 at 10:11 am

I live in a small mobile home with no basement, attic or garage. How can I possibly store food, water, fuel and the necessities I’ll need in case of an emergency ???????

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Vote -1 Vote +1Andres
November 3, 2011 at 3:19 pm

Suzanne,
I also had the same problem once, so what I did was buy a storage cabinet and stored my food and water in there, as for fuels and other necessities that I didn’t want in my home, I had a lockable outdoors cabinet that i stored fuel, camping gear, wood. One other thing, mobile homes don’t really have a front room closet, so I built one, but I built it with storage in mind, but it didn’t look that way.

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Vote -1 Vote +1Barbara
November 4, 2011 at 4:31 am

I’m semi-retired and only have Social Security and a small part time job that involves sales. I have no savings, investments or 401K; and have a small (Big for me) mortgage, plus association fees, plus utilities, including water. If Social Security goes down and I lose my job because no one is able to buy what I’m selling, I don’t think I’d be able to stay here. I guess I’d have to take to the streets. I’m not sure how practical it would be to scrimp to buy and store food, etc. as I might end up having to leave it all here-unless it was light enough to carry in a backpack. What would you recommend for a scenario like this?

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Vote -1 Vote +1David Morris
November 4, 2011 at 9:30 am

Frankly, I’d suggest the same thing that I suggest to EVERYONE…find people who you’re willing to double up with in a survival situation. Hopefully, you’ll never have to, but that is the fallback position that people should have in mind before taking to the streets or going on welfare.

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+1 Vote -1 Vote +1governmentwatchman
November 6, 2011 at 11:01 am

Those of us whose Grandparents and Great Grandparents survived the fighting in the War of Yankee Aggression and the following RE-DESTRUCTION managed to survive. having lost everything. Dad’s surviving ancestors migrated to Central Mississippi from North Carolina, Mother’s ancestors migrated to N.E. Mississippi, my wife’s ancestors had migrated to Georgia at the Alabama line between Atlanta and Birmingham, managing to survive that war and the aftermath.
so you see, what faces us our ancestors faces, since 1860, tremendous disaster and those who survived met these almost overwhelming challenges. . . . and each of us will be tested to the same degree or to an even greater degree.
Those that belong to Jehovah God, “lock, stock and barrel” will survive; both now and in the HEREAFTER . . . JUST AS GOD AND JESUS CHRIST PROMISED;
Dear People, THAT is A WIN WIN SITUATION LIKE NO OTHER and available to all!!!

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Vote -1 Vote +1Robet Wassman
November 8, 2011 at 12:11 am

In storing food for a long time it is important to calculate the cost per calorie to get the most food for the longest time per dollar Here are a few items at November 2011 prices.
The Old Mexican staple of tortillas and beans is not far from being a balanced diet.

FOOD calories / lb $/lb Cents / Cal
Flour 1400 .31 .o22
Sugar 1760
Beans 1500 .86 .057
Split peas’ 1625 .45 .028
Vegetable oil 7814 1.05 .013
Brown Rice 1664 .56 .034
Pasta . 1760 1.00 .057
Canned Tuna etc 800 3.52 $1.10 /can
Dark Chocolate 2240 4.30 .19
Oatmeal 1440 . 60 042

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Vote -1 Vote +1Anita F
November 20, 2011 at 8:16 am

We have been prepping for almost a year now. It has been a slow process as our income is very limited. We have a non-hybrid seed veggie garden and raise goats and chickens for meat, milk and eggs. Even with the homestead organics, I am still buying food for storage. With so much happening in the economic atmosphere, we still need a Plan B. Here’s part of what we do:

Buy ingredients instead of meals in a can. Your food costs are cheaper and you actually get more variety for putting together meals. Another thing to consider is the more types of food in one can the higher likelihood of spoilage. Ingredients like flour, honey, raw sugar, dehydrated peas, carrots, etc. last much longer.

BTW: If you don’t know how, learn to cook! It’s not an option….it’s a survival skill. Everyone in our house cooks so they are not dependent on me if we get separated and must regroup later.

Repackage bulk items into meal size freezer bags or vac. seal bags. We prefer using bags as they are much easier to pack into containers without wasting space. They are also much lighter as we are keeping store packaging to a minimum to cut down on excess weight.

Most families don’t choose a lot of variety in the foods they eat. We have about 12 or so foods that we all will eat without complaint. Focus on those foods for your staples and then add other foods you also like but don’t eat often. This will help with planning menus and also let you know how much of your favorites you need to keep on hand.

Create Meal Kits in 3 to 5 gal buckets or totes that hold several complete meals for your family. Our kits contain items like canned tuna, crackers, peanut butter, jelly, hard candy, potato flakes, evaporated milk, oatmeal, dried fruit, nuts, water pouches, sterno (sealed in it’s own bag), matches, small GI can opener, plasticware plus a selection of portioned foods to use for cooking. The focus is having each bucket filled with foods that you can cook and also those ready to eat if you can’t cook. Each kits hold enough food for us 3 for 3 to 5 days depending on if we are moving or in shelter waiting it out. If an emergency happens and we have to leave, we grab as many kits as we can and go.

What this all boils down to is each person grabs their Go Bag and at least 1 Meal kit bucket or tote. This will provide everything they needs for 3 to 5 days (maybe longer). Design your kits and Go Bags for YOUR families needs. Planning for an event (IMHO) is living life insurance…you don’t have to die first, in your plans to care for your family.
Nuf said.

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Vote -1 Vote +1Jason
November 28, 2011 at 12:39 pm

We’ve been using TheReadyProject.com for years. $35/month has 60 servings and 5 different series packs. Every month without fail a package arrives at our door and is automatically deducted from our checking account. Simple, I don’t have to think about it and it’s low cost. The food has a minimum shelf life of 15 years and it tastes good. We’ve tried a few and are very satisfied. We also have 3 fifty gallon drums of water and a hand pump to get the water out. I will continue buying 50 gallon drums as time goes on because a family can go through water fast with bathing and drinking etc. I also supplement the food with cases of canned goods I find on sale at the grocery store and Sam’s club. We rotate our stock to keep the food fresh. When we use a case of canned goods we buy another one to replace it. We live in an urban environment so living off the land is not an option for us. We store all of our food in the basement utility room and stack it to the ceiling. We are both in the medical field so as things expire at work we bring home the medical supplies and store them for possible future use. We have two Emergency Back Packs to grab and run. We have new in the package flashlights, batteries, emergency candles and lots of can openers, toilet paper and dog/cat food for the animals. Mostly bought at Sam’s club. All stored in the same room. I have two daughters to care for and I’d rather be a dad who overprepared than underprepared. I could never live with myself. In my field “preventative medicine is always the “best medicine”. :)

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Vote -1 Vote +1Adam
December 29, 2011 at 4:38 pm

Here in the UK (England , Wales, Scotland and N Ireland) we are a bit tight on space. Generally wilderness areas are very expensive to live in due to their remoteness or exceptionally expensive on real estate as they are normally outstandingly beautiful.
Me and my partner have come to the conclusion we should move to a semi rural farming community and integrate ourselves with the community. I have nothing more to offer other than a considerable armoury which is unusual in a fairly firearms restrctive country. Can anyone offer any more ideas from a British perspective?

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+1 Vote -1 Vote +1Marnie
January 1, 2012 at 6:34 pm

Anyone looking for prepping supplies, check out Prepare-Survive-Thrive.com. You can find Freeze Dried foods that have a 25-30 year shelf life unopened and 6mo-2year open shelf life. The food is really high quality (we eat it on an everyday basis!- quick and very easy to prepare and really healthy!) and covers all food groups! The #10 cans are double coated ceramic on the inside to prevent metal seepage and once coated on the outside to prevent rust. (Consider it an investment you can eat, trade, etc!) You can also find Food Rotation Storage Systems of all different sizes and configurations and costs (there are ones that even go under the bed and one that comes in an armoire cabinet style to hide your food storage in plain sight). Also, all sorts of water storage and filtration and other emergency supplies. There are products for all budgets and even a special shipping plan that ships items every month on your specified budget. It helps you to gradually build your supplies if you cannot buy outright. Prepare-Survive-Thrive.com

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Vote -1 Vote +1Robet Wassman
April 13, 2012 at 12:19 am

Chose items to buy on the basis of cost per calorie. I Suggest bulk 25 pound bags of flour,beans, oat meal, split peas, white rice, pasta etc. Cooking oil has the most calories per dollar. Protect against heat, moisture, insects and rodents..

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Vote -1 Vote +1Kitty
April 23, 2012 at 7:16 pm

If you have digestive or other concerns then choose food based on digestibility. no sense adding the stress of illness to the stress of a situation.

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Vote -1 Vote +1Robyn Quinn
May 1, 2012 at 5:49 pm

I’m 32 yrs old and I live with my parents and younger sister who are all Christians. My mom and dad know the Bible and my mom and I are the only “faithful” Christians who read the Bible and pray every single day. However, even my mom thinks I’m crazy. She doesn’t believe in the rapture yet she’s gonna be the first that God takes. She doesn’t think we need to prepare for anything. I know better. What do I do to help them and prepare? I don’t have half as much $ as they do to prepare either. Any ideas would be helpful.

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Vote -1 Vote +1Roger Sarrasin
May 2, 2012 at 5:05 pm

I do not have time to read all the comments, but if not already said I suggest to use dry food as a mean for storage. It is very compact, last very long and is very light to transport. Dont forget the water or/and the water filter when moving though…

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