Will Occupy Wall Street Turn Violent…REALLY Violent?

by David Morris on October 27, 2011

Welcome to this week’s Urban Survival Newsletter, brought to you by my monthly print newsletter, The Lamplighter Report and the Social Chaos Survival Guide, a book by my friend, Jeff Anderson, that goes in depth into how to survive riots.  It’s great information to have in this day of flash mobs, flash riots, and general anti-social behavior by large groups of people.

So far, the “Occupy” events around the country have been relatively benign. Don’t get me wrong—they’ve been horrible for local businesses, a pain in the butt for sanitation workers, irritating for law enforcement, and expensive for cities, but they haven’t been anything like what we saw in the Middle East earlier this year.

I’m going to go deeper into some of the advanced psychology and manipulation practices that are being used by the people organizing the “Occupy” events in the November Lamplighter Report, but it’s a big enough topic that I want to discuss it here as well.

People might be dying in their cars in random accidents on their way to or from the protests or dying of drug overdoses after leaving the protests, but none have died AT the protests that I know of so far. (Lest you think that the overdose comment is an unfounded low blow, there are over 100 “Occupy” events across the country and the Occupy Wall Street medical tent claims to treat about a dozen overdoses per day…mostly alcohol and some heroin.)

This week, things got a little more interesting. Until this week, for the most part, the biggest “violence” has been when sanitation workers have tried to clean up the places where the protesters have been squatting.

After having spent a few days at a few different Occupy events, I can say that there’s no way to put all of the protesters into a single group or to say that the protesters are categorically good or bad.  It’s much more complicated than that.  There are “End the Fed” people who I agree with protesting next to revolutionary communists who I wish would go to a country that’s already communist and leave ours alone.  To complicate things more, the revolutionaries and communists have figured out that they can get more people to protest with them if they suck them in with Libertarian views.

Protesters in Oakland upped the ante this week, mostly doing vandalism and throwing rocks, glass, and paint cans at law enforcement…all the while blaming the police for their actions. The end result is that one protester, who’s status I won’t mention out of respect to his 203,000 “brothers”, got a skull fracture because of getting hit in the head with what the protesters claim was a tear gas canister but that could have just as  been something thrown by the protesters.

After more than a month of putting up with the smells, sounds, and expense of the “Occupy” events around the country, cities are getting tired of it and starting to be more active in arresting protesters who are breaking the law. This is causing an increase in arrests, but very little real violence.

Even so, the media is LOVING this. They’re throwing around words like “riots”, “mobs”, “clash with police”, and “violence erupts.” In Atlanta, news crews couldn’t get enough of one protester who walked around with a loaded AK-47.  He thought it was his duty to be ready to protect the protesters from police.

But this brings a serious question to mind…how do you protect yourself in a true riot or mob situation?  Mob mentality and riotous behavior have been around for thousands of years and, although it’s chaotic, it also has predictable aspects to it that we can use to keep ourselves safe. One of the most direct ways to do so is to look at and disect mob behavior. Here’s a quick example that I shared last Christmas and want to share again:

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In this video, we have some great examples of mob behavior.  I wouldn’t really call this a “riot” but it is a good example of a minor breakdown in civil order.  I’ve set the video to start 40 seconds in…it’s 44 seconds of “boring and peaceful.”  But a few seconds after that, you see someone reach in from the left hand side and take a box before they’re supposed to.  What happens next is that EVERYONE starts grabbing at boxes.  And this is important.

In a riot/mob/breakdown in civil order, there are some key components:

An agitator: Someone who’s increasing the intensity of emotions in the crowd.  In this case, both the WalMart employee is agitating the crowd AND the crowd is agitating itself with pushing, facial expressions, and talking. With the “Occupy” crowds, it’s usually some of the more intense participants.

An instigator: This is the person who takes the first non-civil action. It could be breaking a window, knocking over a barricade, damaging police property, hitting police, throwing something at police, shooting a weapon, picking out an “outsider” to attack, or any other “kinetic” action that affects visual/physical anti-social change on the environment around him.

A trigger: If the crowd isn’t sufficiently worked up, the instigator will be a loner and looked at as an oddball by the crowd. If the crowd IS sufficiently worked up, the actions of the instigator will trigger a common response by the parts of the crowd that are most worked up.  It’s important to note that the trigger won’t do much unless it’s attached to a bomb.  In the case of mobs, that bomb is primal tension, pain, and/or rage.  In Tunisia, Egypt, and Algeria this spring, people were worked up because of a lack of affordable food.  We don’t have that with the “Occupy” movement at this time.

Aggressive follower: These are the people who won’t start the trouble, but are looking for any opportunity to cause trouble once they think they have immunity for their actions by being part of a mass of people who are breaking the law. This is the anti-social version of 5-10 cars stacking up and speeding on the interstate in the hopes of not getting stopped.  Another example is a group of pedestrians refusing to cross an empty street when they have a red light…but when a single person starts walking, the crowd quickly follows.

Sheep/Lemmings: These are the people who, once they see the instigator and aggressive followers breaking the rules/laws, will jump in because “everyone else was doing it.” This is when the unacceptable quickly becomes seen as acceptable and people who are ordinarily squared away get caught up in the moment. People who normally obey authority figures suddenly ignore them with reckless abandon.

One example of this is an intense outdoor concert I was at. There was LOTS of alcohol, a couple mosh pits, stage diving and crowd surfing, fights, loud bass, screaming guitars, intense singing, etc. It was fun in the way that being on the edge of a little danger can be fun—it gets the adrenaline going. Two aspects of this concert weren’t so fun and are applicable to this conversation.

First, a girl was crowd surfing…having fun and the crowd was being respectful with how they were passing her around. Then, when she was about 10 feet away from me, a turd-punk who might have been 18 started violating her. Some other people saw it but nobody did anything. I pushed through the crowd, grabbed his arm and twisted it violently and was getting ready to strike him. At that minute, one of the biggest humans I’ve ever seen grabbed my hand, shook his head at me, grabbed the punk, and threw him through the air like a kid’s rag doll. The kid NEVER would have done something like that in a crowd at a mall or a football game. It was only because he thought he had cover for his actions that he acted so anti-socially. The other point to note is that I was lucky that the big guy agreed with my actions and wasn’t a friend of the punk, coming to his aid.  The fact is that you never know who’s alone and who’s got friends in a mob.

Second, awhile later I was at the front of the concert with the crowd behind me and a 4 foot tall wooden “fence” in front of me. As the main band came on stage, the crowd started surging forward…but there wasn’t anywhere to go and people on the front row were getting crushed—screaming and passing out crushed. I had my arms outstretched against the fence to give my body some room and the force of the crowd broke the wood in my hands and slammed me against the fence. People were getting pulled over the fence by security and I eventually went over the fence to get some air too.

The thing to keep in mind about these two instances is that they were from a FUN event. People paid to go to dance, hear bands they liked, and get a little crazy. It wasn’t a “protest”, “occupation”, or “riot.” They happened at a concert. The punk-turd-kid was an anomaly and the surging crowd wasn’t malicious…but the results are the same if you happen to be on the wrong end of mob behavior, regardless of what the general intent of the crowd is.  A crowd of friends trying to escape a fire in a church can trample you just as quickly as a mob gone crazy.

This next video gets a little more ridiculous, with a headbutt 20 seconds in by a guy in a striped shirt and pushing/pulling that escalates to punching after 30 more seconds:

So, we’ve seen how Americans treat each other when luxury items are up for grabs.  How does it look when survival is really on the line?

This next video is a PERFECT example why decentralized solutions, in the form of individual preparedness is the only effective way to survive disasters.

And one more food riot. This one in Somalia when merchants suddenly stopped taking the country’s official currency. Residents holding Somali Shilins that had value the day before were just stuck not being able to buy food for their families. Could this be what things look like here if the dollar collapses?

How do you avoid getting caught up in riots and mobs of people trying to get food after a disaster? One of the core fundamentals is to do everything you can now to make sure that you never have to become a refugee and depend on governments or aid organizations to provide food, water, shelter, and protection. In short, you want to have the ability to hunker down wherever you happen to be and Survive In Place when disaster strikes. This will give you the luxury of being able to choose to time your escape to a retreat location, or ride out the disaster right where you are when it happens.

And if you do get caught up on the wrong side of a mob/riot?

First, BREATHE. Take a series of 3-5 or more deep breaths…belly breaths where your gut extends and your diaphragm gets to expand fully to get as much oxygen in your body as possible. It will calm you down, keep your vision wide, and help you make better decisions.

Second, to the extent that you can, join the crowd. I’m not saying to hurt people, but join in their yelling and pumping your fist in the air as you move out of the crowd. It’s similar to what you’d do if you got thrown from a boat in a rapid river—swim with and perpendicular to the current, because a single person going against it doesn’t have a chance.

Third, look for natural seams in the crowd that you can slip through. If you have to push, push with the back of your hand/arm rather than the palm of your hand (it’s seen as being less offensive). If you’ve got someone with you, grab onto them tightly and say something like, “We’ve got a bathroom emergency” or “We need to find medical!” to buy some grace as you’re pushing through the crowd.

Fourth, stay on your feet and keep moving. Don’t roll up in a ball on the ground or try to stop…again, it’s like fighting a raging river. If you’re with other people that you don’t want to get separated from, hold on hard and tight. If possible, have both people hold on to each other.

If this is a topic that concerns you…whether it’s because of the thought of being caught in a hostile crowd, being near a flash mob gone violent, or being caught in a mob of panicked people after a fire, explosion, etc., one great resource that I want to suggest is Jeff Anderson’s “Social Chaos Survival Guide.” I helped review and refine it back when he came out with it, and the book even comes with a lengthy audio interview that Jeff and I did together on some meaty survival topics. Jeff’s a good guy. I just had lunch with him, his wife, and son a few weeks ago and I’m meeting up with them again in a few weeks. You won’t hear me say that about too many people. To learn more, go to: surviveinplace.com/survivesocialchaos

Do you have any experiences with mobs, riots, etc.? How about with the “Occupy” events? If you’ve been to them, what different groups did you see represented? (I’ve been to a few and it’s amazing how drastically the makeup of the crowd changes from city to city, hour to hour, and day to day.)  If you have, please share your thoughts by commenting below:

 

Until next week, God Bless & stay safe.

 

David Morris

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Vote -1 Vote +1K West
October 27, 2011 at 1:43 pm

Why would anyone be surprised that the most violent protestors, thus far, are in Oakland. The people in this third world City are consistent.

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+5 Vote -1 Vote +1Sandra
October 28, 2011 at 10:08 am

This is no surprise….. The Nancy P’s and Reids along with the people at the top of our goverment are just sitting back smiling and nodding their heads. This was the plan all along and our great all knowing leader can come rushing in with military and take away what rights we as a people have left under the ruse of restoring order. Hopefully those of us who know what America is supose to be will stand armed or not and say. “NO YOU WON’T.

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+3 Vote -1 Vote +1dog
October 29, 2011 at 10:40 pm

sandra, you really hit the nail on the head and i agree with you. i know this sounds alittle out there but people should be ready when marshall law is is put into efffect,
food, water,clothing etc. because it will be ugly real fast.

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Vote -1 Vote +1Buck
October 28, 2011 at 10:12 am

To fulfill Obamas goals of taking over via emergency powers the progressive leadership of this farce will eventually HAVE to instigate the violence necessary to call it a catastrophy . So , yes , it will be a lot more violent eventually .

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+2 Vote -1 Vote +1Gene
October 28, 2011 at 10:23 am

Most of our kids today have experience with riot crowds… how long has it been since you attended a pep rally??? 🙂 I remember getting pushed and jostled and getting so angry I nearly pushed a (much bigger) guy down the bleachers. In retrospect, I’m very glad he was too busy “pepping” to pay attention to a nerdy kid with a bad attitude.

But in all seriousness, we really never know if we might get caught in a riot crowd. We can do some things, like STAY HOME ON BLACK FRIDAY, to avoid them, but a simple trip to the local store could just put you at the wrong time or place. This was a good article with some good advice, but I would like to add… Don’t allow yourself to believe you’ll never be there! It could happen before you realize it, and when you had no clue what was going to happen. BE PREPARED mentally. BE PREPARED physically. BE PREPARED with supplies and/or weaponry. Don’t leave the house without these three things in mind.

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+1 Vote -1 Vote +1nutz
October 28, 2011 at 10:26 am

Big gatherings bring together excitement addicts, they are self generatorss of adrenaline which seriously disables rational thinking so don,t go to a crowd scene without a escape plan and the ability to see what else is going on and a willingness to book early. A high index of suspicion is always needed.

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+1 Vote -1 Vote +1Dr Ben
October 28, 2011 at 10:29 am

I’m with you on most of this, but you damage your credibility when you post a riot from eastern Europe (the head-butt riot) and designate it as American.

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+1 Vote -1 Vote +1isBubba
October 28, 2011 at 11:47 am

I may have missed it, but I didn’t see any signage indicating it was in Eastern Europe. The language spoken sounded like it, but it could have still been in some part of the U.S. these days. Have you been to Miami in the last 20 years?…you’d think you were in S. America…signage and all.

I wouldn’t judge David’s credibility on *that*.

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-7 Vote -1 Vote +1jay
October 28, 2011 at 10:29 am

What I get from your article is that you either do not get it, or you are just another shill for the corporatacracy. The occupy wallstreet has a legitimate beef against tbtf banks and wanting to get the money out of politics. We have no representation in our govt. anymore. Taxation without representation is what started the first revolution (common view), and it will be what is starting this one…….

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+10 Vote -1 Vote +1Bill in Colorado
October 28, 2011 at 1:06 pm

So, why don’t the Occupy protesters concentrate on the government of BHO who gives the money to the banks, after the Bush admin example of FORCING banks to take the first bailout funds? It is not the banks who are the worst criminals in this; it is the federal government. So protest THEM!

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+2 Vote -1 Vote +1Deborah
October 28, 2011 at 1:53 pm

@jay
It is you, my friend, that doesn’t get it. These “rioters” are paid minions of leftist groups under Soros. Where have you been? Perhaps watching the main-stream media? Or, perhaps, one of “them”… this has NOTHING to do with the tea party movement. When asked, a lot of them had no idea what they were protesting about. It is all about the money that they are paid… also, as noted, many have never eaten this good (4 star restaurants catering)! So, you can get with the truth or stumble back to your “leaders”. You will get nowhere here!

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+2 Vote -1 Vote +1Andrew P
October 30, 2011 at 5:21 pm

The “occupy” protestors are organized by an arm of the Obama Re-election Campaign, formerly known as ACORN. It is Obama’s old group, and he is keeping the rif-raff at arm’s length to have “plausible deniability”. But do not be fooled here. A truly desperate President is pulling out all the stops to get a second term any way he can. An if setting up a Police or National Guard massacre of a few hundred protestors is the price of reelection, that is what he will do. Obama is utterly ruthless, and has proved it in all his previous election campaigns. You do not want to be an innocent victim or a “martyr” for his reelection. So stay away from these “protests”.

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-2 Vote -1 Vote +1Adam
February 17, 2012 at 2:56 pm

We hear hear the same rediculous consipracy theories in the UK a few years ago. It varied from Libya , to Soviet Union , to the CIA. I would suggest that silly theories unless backed up with hard evidence, should form no part of this serious discussion board on Survivalism.
Ask your self this. If there was some George Soros or Obama financial backing for the Occupy movement, then some investigative journalist woudl of broken the story by now. Oh how silly of me , according to your types the newspapers are all controlled by Obama, Castro, the communists , the illuminati, the Masons pick a bogie man of your choice.

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+1 Vote -1 Vote +1David Morris
October 31, 2011 at 10:58 am

Hey Jay,

Thanks for writing in. In a nutshell, OWS wants to “fix” things with bigger government solutions. They want to penalize ALL producers, regardless of the source of their income, and redistribute the fruits of their labor. That’s socialism.

I agree that “too big to fail” corporations and “crony capitalism” are bad things, but the answer isn’t socialism…the answer is limited government. If you limit federal regulation and taxation take the money out of the beltway, then companies don’t have the incentive to spend millions on lobbiests and buy protective legislation.

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+3 Vote -1 Vote +1J Logan
October 28, 2011 at 10:38 am

My experience with rioters took place last year in San Francisco at a demo organized by La Raza in support of Illegal Aliens. I and my wife were walking past a group of counter demonstrators as the demonstration began to disperse. I found myself among a group of counter demonstrators who were walking toward BART, (The local subway station). La Raza thugs, who outnumbered us, followed us to BART & attempted to push us off the platform onto the tracks. The only thing that saved us was that I was armed. The sight of my gun caused them to run. As they fled, 4 cops arrived. Had I been forced to shoot, the situation would have been truly UGLY. Fortunately the cops didn’t see my gun which I quickly hid under my shirt. Carrying a gun may not be the best way to deal with being inadvertently caught a violent mob. But it saved our butts that time.

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-1 Vote -1 Vote +1Adam
February 17, 2012 at 3:00 pm

WE have similar jerks here called No Borders. They are violently opposed to the deportation of any illegal aliens. THey are never more than about 70 on a emo and they are generally laughed at and despised by most British people.
As an employee of the UK Border Agency I am a prime hate figure for them which makes me very, very happy.

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+6 Vote -1 Vote +1David Caines
October 28, 2011 at 10:41 am

First let me say that the advise for what to do if you’re caught up in such a thing is top notch.
Secondly, yes this is a huge concern for me and others. Thankfully a fair number of state, federal, local and private police and security groups have intel from inside these groups.
So far so good.
I’m going to take a bit of a side view here and discuss this from the position of homeowners and business owners that may possibly be dealing with riots and rioters.
Probably the first thing you need to know is whether or not your state has a castle law.
If so, you can most likely use lethal force to defend your business or home. This is a huge question as most insurance companies treat riot damage as either an act of god or as domestic terrorism and in general do not cover such damage. Also if you are in a non-castle law state use of violence in defense of your home or business could land you in jail.
If in a castle law state you need to read that law fairly clearly as they differ from state to state in just what rights of defense they extend to you.
It is not the worst idea to have some idea of less than lethal weapons. Which for most people will amount to pepper spray fogs that can be bought on Amazon to rubber bullets , Tri-shot 12ga, rubber 12.ga. buck shot and slugs available from places such as “Cheaper than Dirt” and “The Sportsman’s guide” and others who sell specialty ammunition.
That being said, the question becomes whether or not you intend to possibly kill people to keep them from making you homeless, destroying your things, and possibly harming your family and I suggest making this choice before hand and being prepared to implement that choice understanding that police and first responders will most likely not be available.
I have made that choice for myself and family, and my answer is yes though I also have a retreat plan. Whichever choice you make the time to decide and plan is before hand.
Blessings,
David

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+10 Vote -1 Vote +1M
October 28, 2011 at 10:42 am

My father was severely beaten and left for dead during the ’67 riots. However, it wasn’t by the rioters, it was by opportunists who had a grudge against him and found their opportunity at the riots. Opportunism is THE big sign of a true criminal. The point is that riots increase the danger from, and give cover to, folks with agendas.

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+6 Vote -1 Vote +1Justin Case
October 28, 2011 at 10:58 am

A trick that I learned to help cut through a crowd is to retch, that is to act as if you’re going to throw up. Puff your cheeks out, with water maybe if you’ve got it, and appear as if you’re going to be ill. People will run to get out of your way.

Of the few times that I’ve witnessed riots, the one thing that they had in common is that when it happens, it happens real quick. It spreads quicker than fire. In more than one instance the physical dynamics were similar to a rock falling into a still pond; there was a fluid ripple effect from the epicenter in every direction. That’s if there’s no line of containment, ie buildings, law enforcement ect.

Strange that this should be today’s subject. I’m going to a concert tonight with a few friends. Now I’m thinking that I might spend most of the evening with my back to a wall & an exit in sight.

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Vote -1 Vote +1captain mike
October 28, 2011 at 3:03 pm

Awsome tip. This one’s going in my toolbox.

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+4 Vote -1 Vote +1mtnmedic1
October 28, 2011 at 11:02 am

I worked my way through college as a bar bouncer and later got into personal security for a while. People were often surprised that that was my line of work being that I am 5’8″ tall (of course I weigh around 200 pounds).
I think the advantage I had in that line of work was my mass makes me look like someone you probably don’t want to play with and the fact that I constantly scan my environment. If you can see it coming and either get yourself and your party out quickly (avoidance) or can get yourself quickly to the center and eliminate the trigger in a manner that doesn’t draw attention (my old time favorite was a quick, sharp blow to the liver, then “help” the trigger get outside to “catch their breath”).
What ever you do, never get caught unaware of what is about to happen. That is when you will get hurt!

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+4 Vote -1 Vote +1Cindy Merrill
October 28, 2011 at 11:12 am

I spent almost a year in Job Corps in the early 1980’s- how I managed to graduate, I dunno.I did learn one lesson- stay away from a crowd. It’s almost a natural instinct in my case. I’d rather forage for wild food before daring a mob scene in a grocery store. Some of these edibles are:CatTail roots, Dandilion greens, burdock roots, wild apples: These are not very sweet, but cooking improves the flavor. It is also possible to brew tea from pine or spruce tree needles. For further reference, there are books on wild edible plants at your local library.

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+1 Vote -1 Vote +1isBubba
October 28, 2011 at 11:41 am

I’m about 6’5″ tall and weigh around 280lbs (of pure muscle of course). Once, while on a project in Menomonee Falls, WI, I was shopping in a upscale grocery, browsing the produce department. It was nearly empty as I leaned over a display of apples, trying to pick the biggest, juciest ones. All of a sudden, out of nowhere, a little old lady came up and somehow squeezed in front of me and started picking the best apples. It was just like the mobs in those videos…

This is a true story. Watch out for those old ladies in Wisconsin! They’re agitators AND instigators, all rolled into one. All it takes is for you to trigger them, and BAM!…you’ve got a riot on your hands. 🙂

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+3 Vote -1 Vote +1Sue the frugal survivalist
October 28, 2011 at 12:01 pm

I survived the sixties by not participating in protests or sit-ins. You can object without being part of a crowd. Just as a general approach to shopping, recreating, etc., I avoid crowded areas because it feels uncomfortable. In an emergency, a crowded area can impede your ability to leave safely. Being in a packed crowd has always made me uneasy. At Christmas time, have you ever looked out over the throng of shoppers in an indoor mall and wondered how impossible it would be in a raging fire to evacuate them all through the few mall entrances? Most large stores like Target, Walmart, etc. have reduced their entrances to one or two. They no longer even have windows that could be broken and used as exits in an emergency. Most patrons would head for the one front entrance which would not be big enough for an exiting, panicked, Christmas crowd.

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+1 Vote -1 Vote +1Joe King
October 28, 2011 at 2:09 pm

In response to Sue the Survivalist:
Probably better to go to the back of the store and NOT the front if you needed to get out in a hurry and don’t want to get stampeded in the process. ALL big box stores and retailers have exits at the back, and some have them at the sides as well. It wouldn’t hurt to take note of where these exits are during the Christmas season when stores are filled to the brim. On a related side note: Walmart has changed their tactics when it comes to the “door buster” deals on Black Friday. They will give you a coupon or bracelet that you use to get your item at a predetermined time. They keep the item at the back of the store and roll them out when the time comes so that you don’t have the chaos you all saw in the above video’s. I think they have learned from the past and have found more organized ways to divvy things out. Thanks David for your insight.

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-2 Vote -1 Vote +1Mehujael
October 28, 2011 at 12:25 pm

To whom it may concern,
This brief excerpt may be the most important bit of information to have in understanding whats ahead in the scheme of thing to come. All future battles are a model of the french revolution and will be used by the Illuminati in all future forgoings to achieve their powers. These new recruits of O.W.S. which have arrived on the scene recently are a picture of prior ineptitude in applying these principles and blaming someone else. Many innocent lives are going to be the product of this institutions final analysis and outcome against the peoples. I have deduced already I possibly am earmarked for illumination by these Illuminati, Jacobsens, Masonic s and many other as they seek to eliminate the G-D of my Fathers from society as a whole and replace it with their own ideas and rationality.
You can very well do your part though in warning the Peoples of what these plans are going to result in by these secret societies of today as they have already infiltrated amongst the higher echelon ranking within our society. You must do it quickly though as I fear you may already be too late. Look what happened in the French revolution as they culled the peoples everywhere without any morality back then as well and placed the blame on someone else. It was in there plans to do so at this time as well.One more thing. All those people opposing the constitution and other travesties should be brought up on charges of Insurrection including George Sorros Himself! Why isn’t this happening and it needs to be carried out IN MY OPINION!
Respectfully Your,

Mehujael

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+6 Vote -1 Vote +1Gundog
October 28, 2011 at 12:31 pm

When you look who is behind these so-called “peaceful demonstrations” you will see these useful idiots are being backed by the Soros, Saul Alinsky-trained, SEIU union thugs and a laundry list of Marxist front groups. They have one goal in mind. Destabilize the US economy, create an atmosphere of fear to such an extent Obama will “have to” declare martial law and suspend the 2012 elections on the grounds of “public safety” . This is all going as planned by the despicable thug in OUR White House. Lock and Load people. We have not seen anything yet! This has been the planning for some time now.

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+1 Vote -1 Vote +1Deborah
October 28, 2011 at 2:14 pm

Gundog, you have hit the mark! I have been harping those exact words to anyone who will listen. I just hope folks will heed the warning and prepare. We don’t have much time.

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Vote -1 Vote +1Pamela
October 28, 2011 at 12:54 pm

I have attended the Occupy assemblies here on Maui and have found them to be orderly. Plans for demonstrations are so far intended to comply with all laws, even jaywalking. I find a BROAD rage of people here looking for their core agreements which seem to be:
We are all human – i.e. focus on our similarities, rather than differences
Money out of politics
Monetary reform – from “end the fed” to “lets make a little rule over here.”
Wanting to refocus our system on the common good (of people) in general.
There seems to be agreement also in this: our system is corrupt to the core and putting a ballot into an electronic shredder is not likely to do much good. Basically, they seem to be creating a new system of democracy which is less easily corrupted, due to direct participation in the process. Decentralization is the key. That’s why no leaders.

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+2 Vote -1 Vote +1captain mike
October 28, 2011 at 3:08 pm

Wake up sweetie. Sure they are peaceful to start. They want to draw in a critical mass of useful idiots, give the media fodder for their fawning stories, and then send in the agitators and the instigators.

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+2 Vote -1 Vote +1Gary
October 28, 2011 at 12:57 pm

I think there’s a possibility that what we’re seeing with the Occupy movement is a straw man that is being set up to justify military intervention and martial law in the not-too-distant future. Most of the people at the Occupy events can be easily manipulated by a handful of instigators. Every one of these events is like a ticking bomb. Once they have an excuse to declare martial law, then the gloves come off, and they can round up anyone they don’t like and brand them as domestic terrorists or some such twaddle. Can’t let all those nice FEMA camps go to waste — they were built for a reason.

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+1 Vote -1 Vote +1Deborah
October 28, 2011 at 2:23 pm

Gary, yes, how true. These are scary times. It is pretty obvious that this elected (and not-) bunch of thugs have no intention on leaving due to elections. Martial law and internment camps will shut up those that don’t agree. I only hope that we have “quiet” military generals working behind the scenes. This guy has started dismantling our nukes… a year ahead of schedule. With a strong military, we are safe because we can flex our muscles. Take away our ability to show force and we are done for.

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-2 Vote -1 Vote +1Andrew P
October 30, 2011 at 5:34 pm

At one one OWS protest in downtown DC, it was Conservative agitators that tried to get something going by leading an attack on the Smithsonian’s guards at the NASM. They were trying to start violence to discredit the Libs. The point is anyone with any agenda at all could try to start real violence. Conservative, Liberal, Marxist, Radical, it makes no difference.

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Vote -1 Vote +1David Morris
October 31, 2011 at 10:44 am

Hey Andrew,

That may have been…what was it that made/makes you think it was conservative agitators?

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+2 Vote -1 Vote +1John Hammell
October 28, 2011 at 12:57 pm

David- this is a very useful article to help people understand mob psychology and also to help people anticipate what could happen if this Occupy Wallstreet movement continues to escalate in intensity as the economy continues to spiral downward (as Bilderberg/CFR instigator Soros intends it to, BTW.) His goal, and the goal of his Bilderberg/CFR buddies is to crash the dollar and to usher us into their planned North American Union Collectivist Dictatorship. I have been studying this issue through the lens of defending consumer access to dietary supplements. I’ve been fighting the FDA professionally since 1989 and see a very big picture where that is concerned. UN Agenda 21, the 40 Chapter Blueprint for Population Control is driving all attacks globally against the natural products industry and against alternative medicine. I forced FDA to give me their internal documents re their Trilateral Cooperation Charter with Canada and Mexico and have hard evidence that behind our backs FDA has already created the FRAMEWORK for one harmonized set of food and drug regs for all 3 countries as if the CFR’s long desired NAU Collectivist dictatorship were ALREADY IN PLACE….. These idiots in the street were catalyzed initially by Soros.

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-1 Vote -1 Vote +1dog
October 29, 2011 at 11:18 pm

john H. you are right in your statement. all the kaos that is going on now has been
planned for along time. i expect forign troops [ UN and chinesse ] to enforce marshall
law. there is also a huge group of muslim radicals with terrorist training camps here in
our country and nothing is beeing done about them, why not??? the site may have been taking down but type in terrorists training camps and you will get a real shocker.
new world order, the billdaberg group, not good. they also want to reduce the population to better control them.

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+1 Vote -1 Vote +1Snickster
October 28, 2011 at 1:25 pm

David,

You are confusing a riot with a stampede. They are two different things. Although a riot can have stampede components. Having had the unfortunate experience to have been caught in a number of deadly riots while living overseas in my past I feel compelled to correct the mistake lest you lead someone into more trouble. A riot is nothing more than loosely organized violent behavior aimed at other rioters or police. It is usually contained in a finite area with surrounding areas not affected at all. The simplest route to safety is to simply get out of the area, preferably through the back of the crowd or in a direction that is away from the violence. If you are smart you will never have to worry about the stampede. If however you get caught in a rush of people that are out of control, keep on your feet and keep moving. You will have very little opportunity to do anything but follow the crowd unless you are on the periphery (in which case peel off and get lost). Keep your feet, keep your feet, keep your feet. Step on people who have fallen if you have to, knock slower people out of your way, but keep your feet until settles enough for you to get out. This may seem barbaric and inhuman, but often times those the skills that keep you alive.

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+1 Vote -1 Vote +1David Morris
October 28, 2011 at 2:02 pm

You’re absolutely correct on riots and stampedes being different. Instead of branching down multiple paths, my goal was to give people a single set of actions that they could take in large group settings where civil order turned into civil chaos that would improve their survivability. It gets even more complex when you add in spouses, kids, etc. Doing personal protection drills moving through non-compliant (but non-violent) crowds with multiple clients is incredbily difficult. Add in violence, and it has always seemed to me like an excercise in minimizing losses rather than hoping to get out without a scratch.

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+4 Vote -1 Vote +1Thundersong
October 28, 2011 at 3:03 pm

[David’s note: This comment is in response to a link that someone else posted. The article that Thundersong referrs to was on the page that the link went to. After seeing this reply and going back and clicking through to the link, I had to agree with Thundersong’s frustration and I deleted the link. Yes…I’m a Christian. Yes…Thundersong is a Pagan.]

Firstly, I am a Pagan. I practice Shamanism and I do NOT nor have EVER worshipped Satan. How uninformed is this “True Ott”? I raised an eyebrow at that and ANY one nowadays can look up the definition of what Wicca is and KNOW that it is not a Satanic form. From that opening sentences, I was ready to dismiss the WHOLE article [that was linked to by another commenter that bunched several religions together]. PhD? With that said, Of course, I’m sure that there are people on here that will be agreeing that Wicca and such are Satan worshippers because we do not Worship God. How Hubritic is that?

SO, after shaking my head and moving on to read, because unlike most, I will keep an open-mind and read what else the uninformed person has to say. I will say Some things were researched, but not enough. Prejudiced from the get go, this person did NOT let go of their own Hubritic views and write it from an Objective point of view. Still, I read On. And now I am of the opinion and it is Just my opinion, that whoever this “True Ott, PhD” is, is nothing more than an instigator of the sort that belongs to the White Supremacist movement, akin to the Nazi order that killed many people NOT of their own persuasion. AND I do mostly agree with others who are of the persuasion that MUCH of what is going on in the U.S. today is the Fault of the PEOPLE and NOT of the 1%, It is OUR Fault for apathy in Voting, it is OUR Fault for NOT taking matters in hand, WELL before anything like this occurred. It is OUR Fault for being Sheeple for so LONG that we have grown accustomed to it. It is OUR own Hubris thinking that we were untouchable against much of what was going on in the world financially. It is OUR Hubris that has caused much of the problems we face today. THINK on your own volition and NOT accept ANYTHING that so called “Experts” write. Because in most cases, they will be biased to one side or the other. As for me, I do as I must for me and my own. I do believe something is coming, otherwise I would not be here and gleaning what I need to survive.

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Vote -1 Vote +1Adam
February 17, 2012 at 3:10 pm

Thanks THundersong. Very well responded. Thankfully here in the UK we do not have intolerance to Paganism. In fact many preppers are pagans predomantely Wiicans and Heathens.
Being the sort of person I am I respect anyones faith and hope it gives them strength for the troubled times to come.

Blessed be
Adam

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+3 Vote -1 Vote +1Ray
October 28, 2011 at 3:14 pm

In 1969-71 I was going to San Jose City College. Anti-war demonstrations were daily, at least. Since I am a veteran, I made it a point to remain on the periphery. Veterans were not popular then. I watched as the agitator would work the crowd up with their microphone, and then slip away. I followed one and watched as he made his way to the rear where he met a suit who paid him and he disappeared. I am sure that same tactic is currently in use. If you feel you must observe, do it from the rear with an escape route-always have an escape route.

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Vote -1 Vote +1Kaytee
November 18, 2011 at 8:32 am

By the mid ’80s, it was “safe” to wear a military uniform to UC Berkeley! I took a few extension classes there when stationed at NH Oak Knoll– sometimes didn’t have time to change after work/before class, so went to class in uniform. The only students that “reacted” to the uniform, were a group of NuROTiCs (also in uniform)– they seemed to have no idea what they were supposed to do when they were passing by somebody who was a “real” PO… kinda twitched and had looks of vague confusion/panic on their faces….

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+2 Vote -1 Vote +1David Morris
October 28, 2011 at 5:17 pm

Since I’ve got friends and family in law enforcement, I do find this disturbing. Not new, but disturbing. It makes it all the more important that law enforcement (from the top down) continually review the Constitution that they vowed to defend.

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-2 Vote -1 Vote +1VANGELIS PANOUGNIAS
October 29, 2011 at 5:36 am

Why dont you stop the propaganda of the banks and the huge companies, that all they care about is making more profit and they dont give a shit about the rest of society and the planet.
So please stop accusing this people for violonce because the biggest violence is poverty that the goverments around the world, along with banks impose to the society.
This demonstrations are trying to wake up the rest of the world to get up from their couches and fight for their rights.
Thank you and sorry for my english.

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+1 Vote -1 Vote +1Tankster
October 29, 2011 at 7:33 am

You are really off the deep end. The Tea party activists arrive at their protests brandishing open carry firearms, and these people cause a danger to public safety? The only problem is that you need to vector the interests, Tea people think the government has too much power, OWS people think corporations have too much power. They both agree that Governemnt spends too much and large corporations are the main beneficiaries (defense contractors, remember Ike’s warning? Health care, Big Pharma, the Ponzi/Madoff scheme called Social Security, etc..)
The Supreme Court says corporations are people and can spend whatever they want to get people who support what they want. Stop dissisng them, they are as patriotic as you, they are engaging in the same First Amendment guarantees of freedom of expression and right of assembly as anybody, and the interests coincide to a far greater degree than you might think.

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+3 Vote -1 Vote +1Lissa In Oregon
October 29, 2011 at 12:01 pm

In 1965, when the Viet Nam War protests were getting going, President Johnson made a trip to Sacramento for some reason or another. Like half the resident teen-agers at the time, a group of friends and I decided to go downtown and see what all the fuss would be about. In our innocence, we thought it would be a bunch of fun, and we couldn’t have been more mistaken! At first it WAS fun and exciting, everyone sporting their (brand-new) hippie attire. The “vibes” were those of an enjoyable outdoor concert. But when Johnson came out to make his speech, it was like the crowd had suddenly grabbed onto an electric fence! They all surged forward, while at the same time moving sideways too. I was LITERALLY lifted off my feet, it was EXACTLY like getting caught in a rip-tide!! It was the scariest moment in my life, because I had absolutely NO CONTROL over anything which was happening. I managed to “surf” my way to the side and get out of that crowd, and my friends and I met up later (we’d lost sight of each other almost immediately).
Everything you say about being in the midst of a crowd/mob is ABSOLUTELY true!

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+2 Vote -1 Vote +1SteveF
October 29, 2011 at 2:32 pm

You know, “survival” shouldn’t be for survival’s sake. That trap can make people do evil things. Respect is the term I would use for recognizing a hazardous situation. Let’s keep our ultimate goals in mind.

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+2 Vote -1 Vote +1dog
October 29, 2011 at 11:32 pm

david. thank you for sharing your ideas with us and thank you for your site and thanks to all the people that write in with good ideas and sharing their knowledge.

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Vote -1 Vote +1dog
October 30, 2011 at 12:26 am

don’t forget, all communtcations will be lost. one of the first things they will do is take control
of all media, tv, tadio and etc.

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+1 Vote -1 Vote +1nyc survivor
October 30, 2011 at 12:53 am

to all my people in this great country. no one is seperate anymore. the occupy wall street movement tbrings in al kinds. from the people who really belive they are trying to do good to the wolves patroling the herd waiting for the kill.the problem is you cant tell the diffrence among the players . this will end with no good results. goverment will have to stop it because its taxing on their profits and they certainly dont want to pay us city employees any more tan they need to.also with the holidays cominh the idea of tourism in nyc being compromised by a crowd like this wont do. their is going to be some bad violence before all this is over and the sad truth we have no one to blame because we as a contry let the machine run with out maintenance until it broke down caused harm and now we have to fix it but its not worth fixing the old we need new and cant afford it. we have to just ride this out and stay safe. take care and be careful

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Vote -1 Vote +1geronimo
October 30, 2011 at 2:59 am

I learned that whenever possible I pack my piece but I do so discretly. I keep my concealed weapon on me so if there is a potentaly dangerous crowd situation i work myself towards the edge where if the fecal matter contacts the ventilation rotor I just observe which way the mob is moving,peel off and go my way. I also learned that anonimity is a usefull tool. Some thugs, both the civilian and the thugs of the state (the police) may want to do you harm but this would be a very exceptional case. I am armed and if I have to I will use my weapon as the situation requires. I am well trained to do so as a conditioned reflex action.

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+2 Vote -1 Vote +1Mike Harlow
October 30, 2011 at 12:22 pm

I’ve seen much worse than the videos provided. The Rodney King riot in LA was bad and the cops just milled about among the rioters making no arrests. That was sickening. They had orders from the chief who was at a cocktail party in a safer part of town (big surprise). I watched Reginal Denny get drug from his truck and beaten half to death with bricks and toilets by ghetto savages. He has permanent brain damadge. The Miami riots in the Overtown neighborhood were bad. They spilled out onto I-95 and flagged down cars and car-jacked them and killed the drivers. A then unlnown Assistant State Attorney instructed drivers to run them down and make note of the mile marker so they’d know where to pick them up in the morning. That was Janet Reno. Never get out of a car being mobbed. Step on the gas and keep it moving so they can’t get hands under it to turn it over with you in it. Keep it moving as tho your life depended on it. I once saw a car turned over with a guy in it who came to give away FREE food stamps to people who weren’t starving. If you’re a pedestrian swept into a mob, get out of it fast. It may have an appointment with a gas cloud, a line of night sticks & dogs or bullets from some pissed off Korean shop-keepers.
OVERDOG

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-3 Vote -1 Vote +1kenblacks
October 31, 2011 at 3:31 pm

I married a little lady about 9 years ago and brought her here to texas where I thought I was improving her standard of living and hopefully a safer place to live since peru back in the 1980’s had terrorista’s every where when she was only a child . they had riots and protests all the time and real crazy people everywhere making trouble. I thought I was bringing her to the safest ,secure placed in the world to raise a family. littlle did i know that amagedin might be starting in our lifetime. Our country has changed so much than when I was a child in the 60’s & 70s or maybe I just led sheltered life. I have never bene affraid living here in texas from the people on the street to the police. But I must tell you I am VERY CONCERNED about our good ole USA , between the unions trying to controll everything, George sorrus AKA ASSHOLE trying to make us a 1 world society, our pressident and his buddies onthe left wing liberal band wagon I AM just not sure what to think or how to prepare for what I truely beliveve is coming. I have 3 little girls and I reaaly fear for there safety foremost & there well being as they become lder and begine living there on lives later in life. I realy pay attentionb to glen beck I believe he has a good heart and REALLY BELIVES THE THING HE TELLS PEOPLE ON HIS TV SHows & GBTV . It seams the more thing I read go hanbd in hand with what beck has been saying the last 1.5 – 2 years. I live in the country and do not go to the BIG CITIES very often, but you can bet money I will not be anywhre near and protests or potential riots. Kepp up the good work .

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+1 Vote -1 Vote +1Desert Rose
January 1, 2012 at 5:43 pm

I have been to the Occupy in Olympia Washington, and Portland Oregon (what was left of it.) In Portland, the protesters *I* saw were protesting that low-income and military veterans were being treated unfairly by the law, the court system, and the current structure of “social” conduct that the country operates in.
In Olympia Washington, my son was a resident. We picked him up to bring him home after my mother’s funeral. I saw the conditions they lived in, and met many of his camp mates. There was barely any clean water there, much less 4-star catered food!! The camp *was* filthy, but no more so than the other homeless camps I’ve seen. I’ve seen how these people (the homeless) live, and they can be some of the most kind and caring people, very tight knit groups. They live (daily) as all will be living when disaster hits. We might just learn a thing or two from them. However, not ONE SINGLE occupy resident that *I* know of received any money from their choice. While not all the residents I met with knew much about politics (few these days do,) they believed that what they were doing was bringing public attention to a situation that readers of this site already know – that things are NOT as they seem, the government is NOT coming to our aid, and it’s not all picket fences and lemonade. To vilify them is to do them a great disservice. As in most things, education, social participation, and putting yourself in another’s shoes before opening one’s mouth is a mark of a wise individual.
Suggestion… as David says “if you are not prepared, you’re part of the problem” – go be part of the solution… and perhaps help a few others to do so themselves….

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